Oil consumption info

Tomone · **Joined:** Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:19 am **Posts:** 11

The crd has my interest. I am looking to get info on oil consumption for this relatively new engine (?), also could someone give me the oil capacity and just just how good of a track record does this powerplant have?

Great site.

tnks

Spowers · **Posted:** Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:23 pm

I have 12K on mine, going on its 3rd oil change (every 5K)
They use 6.5 quarts ( I think) of synthetic Mobile 1 0w-40
No known oil usage between changes.
This engine is an MB made in Italy, they have been building diesels for quite some time. Mabey someone can add a little on the history.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:27 pm

During the first 6,000 miles, with the factory fill of 0W40 synthetic, mine burned a little oil and I had to top it off before the change interval actually came up.

For my first oil change, I switched to 5W40 synthetic to provide a little "thicker" oil for better summer protection, and since then I haven't burned any oil at all.

Oil is $4.88/qt. at Wal-Mart, and the engine holds 6.5 US quarts.

I occasionally throttle it pretty hard for fun, but usually drive conservatively due to fuel costs. I sometimes tow a heavy trailer as well. The CRD handles all these tasks better than any engine I've owned before on even full-size trucks, gets mileage in the 20s doing it, and seems to be very reliable. They've used this engine in Europe for years so it has a good track record there. Plus, the manufacturer is VM Motori which is owned by Detroit Diesel who has decades of diesel manufacturing experience in the States.

Buy one!

Spowers · **Posted:** Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:39 pm

LibertyCRD - thanks for the correction on the oil qty :oops:

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:43 am

No prob. Almost all vehicles seem to use 5 quarts of oil, so when you get one that's different it's hard to remember. I had to check my owner's manual to be sure when I did my oil change too.

At $4.88/qt. it's a pretty expensive oil change.

Dutchy · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:07 am

34800 miles and still not using a drop of oil, I have it serviced every 12500 miles.

longarm · **Posted:** Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:36 pm

Wife tool the CRD in for the first oil change today at the dealership. We just broke 3K on the CRD. I wanted to get it changed at 3K to get out the breakin oil that had poss. of metal shavings and particals floating around from inital running of engine. I've don that with every engine, even the ones w/ synthetic oil. What pissed me off was that it cost us $87.00. Thats an INSAINE price. We got charged for 8 quarts of oil too. That and the service guys said it needed to be changed every 3K. Even though the book states every 6250K. I'm not to worried, as the owner wasn't there today when my wife took it in. I wasn't present, I was at work. The owner is a friend and is a good guy, so I'll be talking to him in the am about his service guys either lack of knowledge or integrity. I'll be changing my own oil from now on. That and switch to Royal Purple. Speaking of that, how hard is it to do with the skid plate package on? I know there is a hole for letting oil flow, but does it make a mess all over the skid plate? Is there some kind of funnel type of gismo that you can hold up over the drain hole to ensure the oil goes into the drain pan?

rudy_diesel · **Joined:** Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:34 am **Posts:** 4

Quote:

I wanted to get it changed at 3K to get out the breakin oil that had poss. of metal shavings and particals floating around from inital running of engine.

Unless your oil filter was plugged and was operating in the bypass mode there would be no metal shavings and particles floating around; they would be trapped in the filter.
Also changing oil prematurely at 3,000 miles is a waste of money so don't whine :cry:

about spending $87.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:44 am

I change my own and it costs me $40. Oil $5.16/qt. at Wal-Mart x 6.5 quarts. And oil filter from NAPA for $5.92.

gundrted · **Posted:** Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:57 am

LibertyCRD wrote:

I change my own and it costs me $40. Oil $5.16/qt. at Wal-Mart x 6.5 quarts. And oil filter from NAPA for $5.92.

same here. i also do my own changes. i have almost zero oil use with over 7k on my crd. i got rotela-t 10-40 full syn (might have been 5-40 ... dont remember. they only make one full syn) at walmart for 3 bucks per qtr. i order wix filters from filter1.com (http://filter1.com) for 3.60 per filter and free shipping with 6 filters or 50 bucks spent. very easy to do when getting 2 oil and 2 air filters for 2 cars

grand total = $24.60

i asked this question on a different board an got flamed as a first time crd owner ..... well i grew up with vw rabbit and golf diesels. current i have an 04 golf tdi and my 05 crd. whats up with people using 0-40 oil. one it seems hard to find and 2 what are the plusses. we (my dad or i) never ran less then a 5-30 and that was in wisconsin winters.

longarm · **Posted:** Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:37 am

rudy_diesel wrote:

Quote:

I wanted to get it changed at 3K to get out the breakin oil that had poss. of metal shavings and particals floating around from inital running of engine.

Unless your oil filter was plugged and was operating in the bypass mode there would be no metal shavings and particles floating around; they would be trapped in the filter.
Also changing oil prematurely at 3,000 miles is a waste of money so don't whine :cry:

about spending $87.

WOW! My wife actually went and got it changed, I wasn't there. They told her 3K. I am not used to diesels and always changed my oil on my regular gas engines at 3k. If I had found out what I found out before my wife took it in, I wouldn't have got it done there. I would have done it myself. My wife wasn't sure and didn't want to take any chances. I was just letting yall know what happened and asking a question about the difficulty of changin with skid plates on. You don't have to have an attitude like that. However, you must live in a perfect world where nobody makes mistakes, especially you or your wife. I just love people who join websites and start insulting people right off the bat. Especially, when they just joined. So, it's all good I guess.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:02 pm

Hmmm, 0W40 synthetic? That's good to know. Still waiting on the owner's manual for mine. They brought it in from another dealer, who forgot to put the owner's manual in it, and then refused to mail it, told the dealer I was buying thru to order a new one.

Bunch of turkeys. FWIW, that dealership is in Florence SC.

Fram makes a setup that will work on newer vehicles, they even carry them at Wal-Mart. Basically a valve with a sealed metal cap that screws in in place of the oil drain plug, and a hose that screws onto this and opens up the valve. Hose is somewhere close to a foot long. When you're ready to change oil, you remove the metal cap, and screw on the hose, which opens the valve and allows the oil to drain out. When done, you remove the hose, which closes the valve, and screw the cap back on. I've never tried these, so don't know how well they actually work. It should tell in the Fram cross-reference catalog at the store which one matches the CRD, otherwise you need to know the pipe size and thread pitch on the oil drain plug, probably metric.

longarm · **Posted:** Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:02 pm

retmil46, thanks for the tip. I'm going to look into that. It seems that it would be alot easier to change with that on there.

cevans · **Joined:** Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:48 pm **Posts:** 278

A 0w oil viscosity is like water. The viscosity of the oil doesn't translate into its lubricating properties. A thinner oil should allow for easier cold starts and better fuel economy, but not necessarily better wear.

Mobil 1 Truck and SUV is a repackaged version of Delvac 1, Mobil's premier diesel engine oil, and regarded by many as the best oil period. Mobil themselves call it the "million mile oil" as the oil breaks down slower than it burns off, so, in theory, top offs would suffice to keep the oil fresh. Being a full synthetic designed specifically for diesel engines (higher cylinder temps and soot handling) its burn off rate is extremely low.

Rotella T synthetic is compares very well to D1. Both being 5w oils.

Don't early oil change. Just a waste of oil and money. There is also a theory that the oil that comes from the factory has additives that assist in engine break in, so, making the first oil change before service interval might be harmful. Who knows...

cdetdi

Oberkanone · **Joined:** Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:34 pm **Posts:** 26

Spowers wrote:

I have 12K on mine, going on its 3rd oil change (every 5K)
They use 6.5 quarts ( I think) of synthetic Mobile 1 0w-40
No known oil usage between changes.
This engine is an MB made in Italy, they have been building diesels for quite some time. Mabey someone can add a little on the history.

http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/01/index.jsp
Actually the motor is not an MB, it is a VM Motori. And VM Motori is now known as DDC Cento.
http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/jan05/features/newdawn/newdawn.htmlNice article with picture of 2.8 diesels.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:56 am

I used to have to top off my oil at least once a week. Since switching to 5W40, my CRD now uses very little oil and I haven't had to top off at all since the last change I did. I've also noticed no change in fuel economy either and I manually calculate that. So I don't know why you WOULDN'T switch to 5W40 for better protection.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:32 am

Might also want to check out the thread under "Oil Change" as well. Quite a discussion going on about diesel-service rated oils.

The basic gist of it is that Mobil 1 0W40 only has a CF API service rating, ie for all intents and purposes it is NOT rated for use in a diesel such as the CRD, ie 4 cycle direct injection road-going application, with EGR system, CCV system, low sulfur diesel. I've no earthly idea why DC speced this oil for the CRD.

for the type of diesel we have, the big OEM's such as Cat, Cummins, Detroit Diesel say that you should be using a CI-4 or CI-4 Plus rated oil, the CI-4 and Plus oils being developed specifically for diesels with EGR systems to handle the soot buildup.

gsbrockman · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:21 pm

I performed my first oil change at 5,707 miles. Between 11 miles when new and 5,707 , my CRD used just a tad under one quart. I've noticed no oil consumption since the last oil change (about 1,300 miles or so currently). My CRD used a full 7 quarts of the 0W40; I believe the 6.5 quarts stated in the owner's manual may not include filter capacity. The use of 7 quarts after a long, hot drain puts the oil level up the the uppermost mark on the dipstick. My last oil change ran me $48.83 for 7 quarts of the Mobil 1 and an OEM oil filter....I use the 5W40 Rotella-T in my 2003 Dodge RAM 2500 w/Cummins Turbo Diesel; I have a feeling that will be my next oil used based on what I've read here.

Greg

hawk521 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:20 pm

I too just changed my oil for the first time (5560 miles). Curiously, I carefully refilled with 6.4 qts of oil - only to find that the dipstick still showed to be roughly 1/2 qt low. I gave it a day, then checked again after it sat for an hour and was still low. So I topped it off with another 1/2 quart. Now it shows full to the MAX mark.

This makes me wonder if the quart of oil I thought it had used at the 1000 mile point was just the difference in the dipstick reading and reality? If the factory put in 6.5 quarts, then it would appear that my dipstiick would have shown 1/2 quart low right out of the factory door. Poorly calibrated dipstick maybe!?!?

Anyway, I'll watch it and see if the full 7 quarts causes any problem. It does not read above the MAX mark on the dispstick. And after a brisk drive I checked the dipstick and there was no frothing of the oil.

Curious, huh?

FWIW, I went with Shell Rotella T full synthetic 5W40. $13/gallon at Walmart. Used the oem Mopar oil filter ($13 from local dealer)

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