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Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Lift kits
I know there are lots of different posts on this subject but i'd like to get all the information i can in one place. I have a 2004 crd and want to know what make lift to go with ,do i need stronger springs as its a diesel lump.Does everyhting come in the kit or are there bits to add to improve ride or reliability ect .Will a three inch lift cause any problems and wear other parts out prematurley?. I am asking these questions so that i can utilise peoples expertise and experience. I hear a lot of people mention the frankenlift kits ,do i need the upper arms that i have seen in some pics?Will it affect mpg,
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:00 pm ]
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Get the OME for Diesels with the Long Travel Rear Shocks. Ride is fantastic...flexes great...no upper A-Arm contact and NO trimming needed with 235/75/16s (29.84"). You need to be careful on the drivers side during install. Although our CRDs come with a lower front diff which is great for CV angles...it also comes with a much shorter drives side CV Axle Shaft. It is a close fit at the cleavis and easy to tear a CV Boot diring install...if you are careful you will be fine.
Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:14 pm ]
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Cheers for that info ,my best m8 has a garage so he would be fitting it for me .What about fuel ,will a lift kit make me even more unaerodynamic.
Author:  BlackLibertyCRD [ Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:17 pm ]
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JIMMY JEEP wrote:
Cheers for that info ,my best m8 has a garage so he would be fitting it for me .What about fuel ,will a lift kit make me even more unaerodynamic.


Yep, just like raising a brick into the wind.
Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:15 pm ]
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Bugger fuel is dearer enough as it is. Over £1.00 a litre
Author:  nix [ Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:59 pm ]
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JIMMY JEEP wrote:
Bugger fuel is dearer enough as it is. Over £1.00 a litre

Yes, but it would look so cool. 8) The only Chrysler/Jeep product I ever see in the UK in any sort of number are PT Cruisers and Neons.. (and they're pretty rare as well.. at least around NW London) A Jeep with a lift and knobby tires would stand out. Seriously.. if paying for fuel was a problem for you, you wouldn't have bought a Jeep in the first place.. right? Go for the lift! I enjoy my Rusty's lift with OME shocks. Rides better than stock.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:19 am ]
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http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/947

Here is what it will look like...and I am getting over 22mpg mostly city driving...or 10.5L/100km so it is not that bad. In that link you can see some mods I have done.
Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:36 am ]
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If i do buy a lift which one do i go for a frankenlift for crd or a rusty's or some other lift kit? Do i need to buy the upper control arms when lifting or is it not a neccesory ?And would my jeep look weird with stock 16" or 17" wheels that ive got,as i dont fancy trimming and pounding the welds to get bigger tyres on. I want to get it right first time with the lift as postage to the uk is gonna be expensive ,will i need to uprate any other bits to maintain realability? Sorry for all the questions but lift kits are rare over here and i've never seen a lifted jeep at all apart from wranglers.
Author:  dgeist [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:09 pm ]
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JIMMY JEEP wrote:
If i do buy a lift which one do i go for a frankenlift for crd or a rusty's or some other lift kit? Do i need to buy the upper control arms when lifting or is it not a neccesory ?And would my jeep look weird with stock 16" or 17" wheels that ive got,as i dont fancy trimming and pounding the welds to get bigger tyres on. I want to get it right first time with the lift as postage to the uk is gonna be expensive ,will i need to uprate any other bits to maintain realability? Sorry for all the questions but lift kits are rare over here and i've never seen a lifted jeep at all apart from wranglers.


One thing you might consider is the legality of it. I've read some references to limits on Rover bumpers and such based on UK motorway regulations. Lifting it too high might make you a fuzz target. I have a 05 CRD and would like to get a little more clearance and better ride. The straight-up OME package for the CRD seems to be just that: A little lift with substantially better components and a better overall ride. It'll be less drastic than either a franken' or rusty's. It's also less likely to look strange with Stock wheels/tires. I think the general consensus among OME users is that 245/70/R16 is an appropriate size if you have a lift and don't want to loose much fuel economy. They'll also fit just fine under a stock ride height.
Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:57 pm ]
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How much lift does the OME lift give and who sells the kit? Thanks for your replies and suggestions.
Author:  ATXKJ [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:54 pm ]
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look for the all OME kit - right side
http://www.boulderbars.com/frankenlift_crd.htm
Author:  nix [ Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:33 pm ]
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I installed the Rusty's 2.5" suspension lift (with OME shocks) myself. I have no upper a-arm clearance problems. I also drove around for several thousand miles on the stock 16" wheels and tires. I live in an area where Jeeps are plentiful and most are modified, lifted and have big tires. My CRD didn't look funny or out of place with the stock rims and tires. Sure, later I upgraded to 245x75x16 BFGoodrich tires.. but with the lift they don't rub unless I am at 100% full lock and reversing.. and even then its minor. Both the Rusty's kit and the Frankenlift have pros and cons. I would say that the Frankenlift is slightly better quality, costs significantly more and only gives you a 2" lift. You are paying for parts you already have with the frankenlift.. and the convenience of not having to get the struts assembled at a shop. The Rustys is more affordable, nearly as good quality as the Frankenlift and it's a true 2.5".
Author:  scrambledKJ [ Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Lift
I just installed a lift on my CRD. I put on the Daystar 2.5 with OME struts and Rancho RSX rear shocks. I left off the rear lower isolator. It took me solo 2.5 hrs with an electric impact. The rear was easy. Took a little longer to fab a brakeline bracket and work around the airbags. The front wasn't bad. You have to spend 10 minutes just pulling crap out to get to the strut bolts. The right side went okay. The left was a bear. The strut and spacer hit the CV shaft. I had to pull out the front control arm bolt and the rear bolt wouldn't come out because it too hit the CV. a little prying and whacking and it all went together.

The jeep looks and rides good. I would like the full OME better, but I am not gonna spend that kind of dough on 2.5 inches. Tomorrow, I get to put on the 245/75 bfg AT's and whack the pinch weld.

Is the trim on the doors that says LIBERTY level? My jeep looks nose high, but the trim still slopes down slightly. I think the front fenderwell is cut biger than the rear. The RL bumper should drop it a bit though.

Travis
Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:11 pm ]
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Are the kits you are mentioning ok for the heavier crd ,no sag ect.
Author:  ATXKJ [ Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:50 pm ]
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The factory springs on the CRD are about 410 lbs/in
The OME standard heavy duty's - the 927's are about 400 lbs/inch
The OME CRD springs - the 790's are 500lbs/in

so the OME 790's will not sag and they are strong enough for an ARB and winch
for the 927's - you're better off using stock springs with the Daystar spacer.

Nix says he doesn't have a problem with the Rusty's - but several other people have - the number on Rusty's site says his springs are ~300 lbs/inch (he may now have heavier for CRD - he didn't when I called ~2 years ago)
Author:  MightyCRD [ Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:44 pm ]
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I have the OME lift with the CRD springs up front - I have had no issues with this lift - the ride is great and better than factory (even with the 500lbs/inch springs up front), there is NO sag, and the off-road performance is great. You can't go wrong with this lift - I think I got about 2 1/2 inches or so. Wasn't hard to put on either - just takes patience and time!
Author:  JIMMY JEEP [ Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:03 am ]
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It looks like it'll have to be the frankenlift designed for the crd then ,seems the best option given the information i have recieved .So i would just need to order the kit? are there no other parts needed? or recommended?. Also has the manufacturer been in business a while ? i'm thinking along the lines of if i break a spring 18 months down the line will they still be there to purchase a new one from. Otherwise i'd be stuck with a 3 cornered lifted jeep . Update i found a link on a search and this somewhat scares me the cv angles look really bad
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... php?t=5146
Author:  MightyCRD [ Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:19 pm ]
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JIMMY JEEP wrote:
It looks like it'll have to be the frankenlift designed for the crd then ,seems the best option given the information i have recieved .So i would just need to order the kit? are there no other parts needed? or recommended?. Also has the manufacturer been in business a while ? i'm thinking along the lines of if i break a spring 18 months down the line will they still be there to purchase a new one from. Otherwise i'd be stuck with a 3 cornered lifted jeep . Update i found a link on a search and this somewhat scares me the cv angles look really bad
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... php?t=5146


My CV angles are nowhere near like that - the CRD's front diff actually sits lower than the gasser version. My CV joints are at a very mild angle with the OME lift. I think that they have started leaving the spacers out on the CRD Frankenlift anyway (mine doesn't have them) - I still ended up with a nice lift. I think DarbyWalters has some good pics of his OME on his CRD somewhere - ya might try and find those to get a better idea on the CRD lift's CV angles.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:24 pm ]
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OME Lift on CRD:
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Angles are almost flat...rides better...looks better
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Slide Show:

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Author:  nix [ Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:44 pm ]
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Jimmy- don't forget- with the frankenlift, you have to send parts of your old factory suspension back to All J here in the USA or they charge you an additional 'core' fee. So you will have to factor in that shipping cost as well. The owner of All J (the makers of the frankenlift) administers this forum so keep that in mind as you digest all the info you find here and make your decision.
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