It's 10:01pm - where's your fuel manager head?

gmctd · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:07 pm

Well, it's prolly exorbitantly expensive from Dodge, but maybe not so from Cummins - that's a Fleetguard head with a Carter lift pump - and you still may have problems with the plastic fuel line connections back at the tank, but they shouldn't be so problematical, with the lift pump between the tank and the filter head - the KJ's main fuel problems arise because the lift pump is post-head, with the fuel manager head being the highest point in the system - air city, and then some.

I tell ya - it would really be helpful to have a friend or two in the DCJ system

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:08 pm

FYI - the in tank pump is a clean neat approach - but it's not the only one - There are a couple of Kennedy installs
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=23117
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=252953&highlight=#252953
http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/kennedy.htm

and the Facet
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=24527&highlight=facet

all were effective - the combo of Lift pump and new fuel head should give you a safety margin
also the Racor may be a lot closer to a simple bolt on than the Cummins
http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/racor.htm

again not as neat a system as making it look like a Cummins - but they work.

clday25 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:08 pm

Alrighty, I was able to track down the Cummins Fuel Manager Head part number and price, $126.08 as quoted by a service rep at http://www.cumminsfiltration.com

The Fleetguard part number is FS19586. Here's the info:

Part: FS19586
Manufacturer: FLEETGUARD
Part Type: FWS HOUSING

Inlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H
Outlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H
Length: 150.49 mm (5.925 in)
Overall Height: 231.65 mm (9.12 in)
WIF Sensor: YES
Width: 156.49 mm (6.161 in)

Additional Information:
CUMMINS 3937718 CUMMINS 3949344
Uses service part
3900349S Thermostat - 12V includes 2 self tap screws
3923831S Drain Valve
3925469S O-ring, cold weather version (withstand -40 degree F)
3926756S Water In Fuel Sensor
3926757S 12V Heater (300 Watt)
3926758S Lid Assembly
3926759S Valve, Shutoff Includes 2 O-rings & 4 Screws
3928814S Kit, Filter Housing
3928815S Complete O-Ring Set
Replaces
FS1263
Housing used with
FS1268 Replacement Cartridge
FS19579 Replacement Cartridge

Here's some other options i found:

Part: FS1269
Manufacturer: FLEETGUARD
Part Type: FWS HOUSING

Inlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H INT
Outlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H INT
Length: 138 mm (5.433 in)
Overall Height: 190.42 mm (7.497 in)
Pressure Diagnosis Port: YES
WIF Sensor: YES
Width: 146.25 mm (5.758 in)

Additional Information:
CUMMINS 3945134
Uses service part
3900349S Thermostat - 12V includes 2 self tap screws
3900788S Cover Plate & Screws for No Heater
3905594S Optional 24V heater
3905595S Optional 24V connector w/2 self tapping screws
3925469S O-ring, cold weather version (withstand -40 degree F)
3926755S Complete O'Ring Set
3926756S Water-In-Fuel Sensor
3926757S 12V Heater (300 Watt)
3926758S Lid Assembly
3926759S Valve, Shutoff Includes 2 O-rings & 4 Screws
3928814S Kit, Filter Housing
3928815S Complete O'Ring set
FS19579 Replacement Cartridge
Replaces
FS1257
Housing used with
FS1261
FS1268
FS19855
Product Comment
Top load FWS w/o heater

Part: FS1258
Manufacturer: FLEETGUARD
Part Type: FWS HOUSING

Inlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H
Outlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H
Length: 138 mm (5.433 in)
Overall Height: 190.42 mm (7.497 in)
Pressure Diagnosis Port: YES
WIF Sensor: YES
Width: 161.06 mm (6.341 in)

Additional Information:
CUMMINS 3942961
Uses service part
3900349S Thermostat - 12V includes 2 self tap screws
3900788S Cover Plate & Screws for No Heater
3905595S Optional 24V connector w/2 self tapping screws
3925469S O-ring, cold weather version (withstand -40 degree F)
3926755S Complete O'Ring Set
3926756S Water-In-Fuel Sensor
3926757S 12V Heater (300 Watt)
3926758S Lid Assembly
3926759S Valve, Shutoff Includes 2 O-rings & 4 Screws
3928814S Kit, Filter Housing
FS19579 Replacement Cartridge
Housing used with
FS1261 Replacement Element
FS1268
Product Comment
Top load FWS w/ 12volt heater (black); 24volt (blue)

Part: FS1259
Manufacturer: FLEETGUARD
Part Type: FWS HOUSING

Inlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H
Outlet Connection: M12 X 1.5-6H
Length: 138 mm (5.433 in)
Overall Height: 190.42 mm (7.497 in)
Pressure Diagnosis Port: YES
WIF Sensor: YES
Width: 161.06 mm (6.341 in)

Additional Information:
CUMMINS 3943908
Uses service part
3926756S Water-In-Fuel Sensor
3926758S Lid Assembly
3926759S Valve, Shutoff Includes 2 O-rings & 4 Screws
FS19579 Replacement Cartridge
Housing used with
FS1261 Replacement Element
FS1268
Product Comment
Top Load Fuel w/ 24volt heater

Enjoy!

gmctd · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:12 pm

Good input - all efforts are appreciated

FYI, the filter element is p\n 5015581AA

Two heads are available: one has 90deg tab for top-mounting, other is for side-mounting, like the KJ head - 90deg tab can be sawed off to allow side-mounting - either type will need to be redrilled to match bolt pattern on KJ bracket

Likely won't find the unit with the attached lift pump, as that was obsoleted by DCJ in '04 under Recall TSB - parts may still be available, scattered about, maybe on eBay

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:27 am

And now, for something completely different.....................

New vacancy - residency applications now being accepted...........

Evicted...........

Let's twist again, like we did last summer, babeusz.........

Under new management............

Seeking: non-volatile fuel for possible long-term relationship...........

First, note the ease of filter replacement...........

Second, note the increased crowding in the limited real estate - maybe not for those who like wide open spaces.......

Third, note the ease of filter replacement...........

DCJ filter element p\n is listed right on the MOPAR label - easily cross-ref'ed to Baldwin, Wix, Napa Gold, etc.

Now, note the second set of holes lined up across the top with the oem pair - those will center the head to allow the head-mounted fuel pump to clear the brake vacuum-booster, but sorta crowds the WIF valve (yellow handle) toward the intake manifold - as you can see, I then used the oem left-most hole by installing a matching companion

Also, the dufuses at DCJ attached the mounting bracket to the KJ firewall at an angle, off-vertical (that is an optical illusion in the pic), so you'll need to offset the 'booster-side hole lower to level the head.

Give the steel inlet fuel line a 90deg twist toward the brake booster, route the rerouted line behind the mounting bracket to meet the shortened inlet fitting on the side of the head adjacent the brake booster

Shorten the outlet fitting, shorten the rubber hose to the CP3, attach thereunto and clamp - the fuel outlet is bottom center, beneath the cannister

The ABS brake lines will need a little massaging for adequate clearance - or, the bosses intended for attaching a lift pump could be sawed off, further reducing real estate requirements - I left them in-place for future R&D.

Fuel Heater will require Dodge Cummins connector

WIF sensor will require DC connector

Inlet Fuel Temp Sensor may be pruned from the puck (see What the puck, over!, here: http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=31256), for clamping to the side of the head - or rounded, threaded, inserted into one of the isolated return fuel ports, either side of the head - or see retmil46's thread on replacement 2k thermister from Omega\equiv

Alternately, IAT or ECT sensors from any DCJ vehicle are compatible, and usually found in a threaded fitting with the correct connector - hit yer local boneyards fer a fair sampling of such wonders (nab the connector and wires, just in case)..............

Did I mention ease of filter replacement..................

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:54 am

is that the same heater puck as seen destroyed in the other post?

fastRob · **Posted:** Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:06 pm

Puck out, new head in.
Sounds good.
I like the pictures.

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

I've got one of those sitting around my garage. It is off my 01 left over from my FASS install. It's a good housing, but the best filteration availble is 7micron, so I elected to get a Stanadyne FM100 with 2 mic. filtration for the libby. It's waiting for the install.

GMCTD: It looks like you are on a slow quest to put a Cummins in the Liberty :wink:

. I can't wait to see what comes next

msilbernagel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:25 pm

OMG: two more cylinders? :lol:

Tinman wrote:

GMCTD: It looks like you are on a slow quest to put a Cummins in the Liberty :wink:

. I can't wait to see what comes next

gmctd · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:18 pm

Just got back from a discouraging bout with MrMoparts, not that he didn't try, just the results were not up to (Mo)par

The Fleetguard WIF sensor, just two conductors straight-thru the o-ringed plastic connector, bare on both ends = 182 bucks
the connector pigtail kit is spec-order = 38 bucks

The Fleetguard thermostat\heater connector pigtail does not appear to be available

The Dana80 pinion-yoke washer is 7 bucks, 10-day b.o.

The plastic plug-sert fasteners used to attach various panels, accessories, etc, to the body are 'not serviced separately', gotta buy the accessory to get the little baggie full of plastic push-ins

All-in-all, a big ZILCH, on top of all that expensive fuel wasted, with even more to be wasted hittin' the local boneyards - Friday the 13th musta came late, this month................

Almost fergot: nope, no CTD for the little mule - the VM\DD 2.8L is more engine than anyone can currently use, way over-powering the small chassis once we get a hot-flash worked out for ECM and TCM

fastRob · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:58 pm

gmctd wrote:

Just got back from a discouraging bout with MrMoparts, not that he didn't try, just the results were not up to (Mo)par
....................................................................
Almost fergot: nope, no CTD for the little mule - the VM\DD 2.8L is more engine than anyone can currently use, way over-powering the small chassis once we get a hot-flash worked out for ECM and TCM

JD,
Sometimes effort is not enough. The parts guy I just went to, tucked it to me, but he knew his parts very well. In my experience 1 in 10, maybe we are just malcontents, looking for Mrs. Goodparts.

What is a CTD? I know what a STD is; Been there, done that, got the T shirt.

05infernoCRDL · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:00 pm

i am guessing CTD = Cummins Turbo Diesel

gmctd · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:05 pm

Correct, Trevor: the Cummins 5.9L 360cuin medium-duty Turbo-Diesel engine - this was more of a hoity-toity Hemi-dealer - had'em everywhere, even sittin' on a engine-stand behind the parts counter - lovely little beastie, but a real man needs a noisy, stinky engine that reeks of Diesel Fuel, eh......................

05infernoCRDL · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:22 pm

would a 5.9 fit in the liberty?

there is nothing like the cold clatter and the smell of a diesel in the morning.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Our 2.8 barely fits, and it is a v4 design. The 5.9 Cummins is an inline 6, lots longer than our powerplant.

There are smaller Cummins options though. I just saw a 1980's Toyota Landcruiser for sale that had been converted to a Cummins 4 banger diesel, with a really funky heavy duty transmission borrowed from some peice of heavy equipment (something like 8 forward gears and 2 or 3 reverse).

onthehunt · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:53 pm

v-4???

05infernoCRDL · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:02 pm

the 2.8 is a Inline design

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Er, I-4. Sorry, brain fart.

fastRob · **Posted:** Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:20 pm

How can I help?
There must be a way to solve this.
This is a worthy cause.

fastRob · **Posted:** Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:23 am

These folks make some interesting stuff.
Any thoughts?

http://www.stanadyne.com/new/ppt/ppt_dffs.asp

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