55 MPG In Jeep 2.0L Diesel

Wobbly · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:08 pm

http://www.truckblog.com/story-1714-cou ... r_of_jeeps
or
http://tinyurl.com/2op9xj

(66 Imperial MPG is around 55 US MPG)

bhysjulien · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:43 pm

That's fantastic. NOW BRING THEM TO THE STATES SO WE CAN BUY THEM. CHRYSLER ARE YOU LISTENING!?

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:42 pm

Don't they use VW's TDI in those?

Joe

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:18 pm

"That's fantastic. NOW BRING THEM TO THE STATES SO WE CAN BUY THEM. CHRYSLER ARE YOU LISTENING!?"

It isn't Chrysler who's not listening, it's those mental defects we continually seem to send to Washington.
Every time I see an article like this, it just make me feel so gosh darn proud of our illustrious Washington representatives....
How's that for sarcasm Mrs. McClure..... :wink:

Albert · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:29 pm

I would buy a 55mpg diesel Patriot for a DD in a heartbeat................But our Gov't (both Fed and State) are saving us from them.....they know what is good for us more than we do. (and that is sarcasm)

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:43 am

[quote="Albert"]I would buy a 55mpg diesel Patriot for a DD in a heartbeat quote]

X2

Wobbly · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:47 am

Joe Romas wrote:

Don't they use VW's TDI in those?

Joe

The 6-speed manual transmission might explain why the Compass with a VW PD TDi 2.0 L can get better mileage than
my Passat TDi with an automatic. The drag coefficient of the Compass must be much higher than the Passat's.

Brabus sells a tuned version of the Compass with an extra 40 HP: http://www.babez.de/brabus/brabus-jeep-compass-2007.php

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

truckbouy2 wrote:

It isn't Chrysler who's not listening, it's those mental defects we continually seem to send to Washington.
Every time I see an article like this, it just make me feel so gosh darn proud of our illustrious Washington representatives....
How's that for sarcasm Mrs. McClure..... :wink:

Gosh, someone better tell those coneheads in Washington to hop on the ball and stop this:

http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=E320BTEC

Mercedes-Benz - The%202008%20E320 BLUETEC Sedan

The breakthrough BLUETEC® clean diesel technology in the E320 BLUETEC Sedan1 — winner of the 2007 World Green Car award — blends fuel efficiency and low noise to rival a hybrid without sacrificing power, while significantly reducing the soot and pollutants often associated with diesel engines via specialized filters and catalytic converters. This powerful and efficient diesel luxury sedan also offers performance, comfort, and stylish sophistication.

And this:

http://www.dieselforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=447

VW to stock dealers with Jetta diesels by June
by Sam Abuelsamid

At the Chicago Auto Show today Volkswagen spokesman Keith Price confirms that the first new CleanTDI models will be arriving at Volkswagen dealerships in June 2008. Each dealer in United States and Canada will get one example from the initial batch of 1,000 cars.

These first cars will be used to introduce potential customers to the new CleanTDI technology with test drives available throughout the summer. In late August to early September regular volumes of diesel Jettas will go on sale at Volkswagen dealers throughout North America.

The new CleanTDI Jetta will be Volkswagen's first 50-state legal Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions compliant diesel model. In 2006, the last year that a 45-state legal diesel Jetta was available, the diesel comprised 30 percent of Jetta sales nationally even though it was not available in California and four north eastern states.

In November 2008 Volkswagen will begin production of the new Touareg CleanTDI SUV with sales to follow around the end of the year.

And this:

http://www.fordf150.net/diesel/

This just in!! As of January 2008 Ford has confirmed they fully intend to have a diesel engine in the F-150 for the 2010 model year. They didn't say any more other than they want to be the first of the "big 3" to put a diesel in the light duty pickup. They didn't give us any indication as to what we'll see but there has been plenty of speculation.

Um, yeah. Its those mental defects in Washington holding everything up.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:40 am

truckbouy2 wrote:

It isn't Chrysler who's not listening, it's those mental defects we continually seem to send to Washington.
Every time I see an article like this, it just make me feel so gosh darn proud of our illustrious Washington representatives....
How's that for sarcasm Mrs. McClure..... :wink:

Actually it's those in California and the "me too" NE states keeping diesels out. Those states compose I think I herd 50% of the automobile market :shock:

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:09 am

Threeweight wrote:

This just in!! As of January 2008 Ford has confirmed they fully intend to have a diesel engine in the F-150 for the 2010 model year. They didn't say any more other than they want to be the first of the "big 3" to put a diesel in the light duty pickup. They didn't give us any indication as to what we'll see but there has been plenty of speculation.[/i]

Um, yeah. Its those mental defects in Washington holding everything up.

Actually I read a few years ago that Ford's reason for not putting a diesel in the F150 was "they couldn't make money on them" and "untill they could they wouldn't" :shock:

Now the question is WHY? Simple they are buying Power Strokes from Navistar for $7200 EACH their cost. And as long as people are willing to pay a $10,000 premium on a high end F350 they make $10K or more profit on why should/would they put a reasonably priced engine in a F150? :?:

Our CRD's are proof that if they wanted to they could have :lol:

Also read that Navistar is going to be building all middle sized GM and Chevy trucks. They will be sold and serviced at your local gm/chevy dealers but will be a Navistar like you can buy at your local Navistar dealer. I understand that a couple years ago Navistar also had a V6 diesel ready for Ford but they didn't want it :?:

With the GM deal where will that leave Ford? I'm definetly NOT a fan of GM but they seem to be making better decisions then Ford lately :wink:

Anyone read about the GM diesel that is designed without a intake manifold that two engineers came up with and GM implemented it in unherd of speed :lol:

Not only is it chaper to make but it's a better design.

The "BIG THREE is now called the DETROIT THREE and I wonder why :?:

It's business as usual

Links:
Navistar building GM trucks
http://www.autoobserver.com/2007/12/gm- ... edium.html
GM's new design
http://jalopnik.com/347346/2010-45l-dur ... ant-design
Ford's F150 diesel
http://www.dieselforecast.com/ArticleDe ... icleID=208

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:30 am

50%....
Doesn't leave us in-landers much clout.
I guess it's up to you few sane east and west coasters get us more oilers.....

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:06 am

truckbouy2 wrote:

50%....
Doesn't leave us in-landers much clout.
I guess it's up to you few sane east and west coasters get us more oilers.....

I'm affraid there are far too few "sane" people to overide those who grew up as part of the "Sixties generation". The Gen-X may help the cause but they're not coming on board fast enough and in enough numbers but we can still hope. Both my Daughter and Son have jeeps and the Son has my last TDI too. He has the best of both but still wants a diesel XJ :wink:

I noticed in your sig that you have installed a "O" ring in the filter. I copied your "O" ring and it worked well utill the second fill up then back to normal with air and surges :oops:

Then I put on a lift pump. All the difference in he world in preformance

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:08 am

Engine in the patriot CRD is most likely this one:

http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/dettaglio.jsp?id=8

Torque and horsepower figures add up nicely.

I got a datasheet on it from the danish dealers...

EDIT: Ah the displacement doesn't match. 1991 ccm on VM site vs 1968 ccm on dealer spec sheet. Let the guessing continue, or maybe one data sheet is wrong

Wobbly · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:59 am

Uffe wrote:

Engine in the patriot CRD is most likely this one:

http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/dettaglio.jsp?id=8

Torque and horsepower figures add up nicely.

I got a datasheet on it from the danish dealers...

EDIT: Ah the displacement doesn't match. 1991 ccm on VM site vs 1968 ccm on dealer spec sheet. Let the guessing continue, or maybe one data sheet is wrong

It's a VW:
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134-170 hp 2.0 TDI
This engine was made to replace the older higher-powered versions of the 1.9 TDI. It is the first DOHC 4-cylinder TDI engine made by Volkswagen. There will be an even more powerful version of this engine for new Audi TT.

Configuration
inline 4 cylinder 1968 cm³ TDI
Head
4 valves per cylinder, DOHC, compression ratio 18.5:1
2 valves per cylinder, SOHC version, developed for VW Passat B5 GP (last editions) and continued in B6 MY'06 with particle filter
Fuel system
Unit injectors direct-injection pump/nozzle, piezo actuators valve, pressure up to 2200 bar
Aspiration
switched induction manifold for turbulence control, turbocharged, intercooled
Engine management
Bosch EDC 16 / SiemensVDO SIMOS PPD1
exhaust
particulate filter
Output
100 kW (136 hp) @ 4000 rpm, 310 N·m @ 1750 to 2500 rpm
103 kW (140 hp) @ 4000 rpm, 320 N·m (247 lbf·ft) @ 1750 rpm
125 kW (170 hp) @ 4200 rpm, 350 N·m @ 1800 to 2500 rpm
aftermarket 150 kW (204 hp)
Applications
VW Golf, VW Touran, VW Jetta, VW Passat and Passat Wagon since 2005, possibly VW Tiguan, Audi A3 (8P), Audi A4 (B7), Audi A6 (B6), SEAT Leon, SEAT Altea and XL, SEAT Toledo, Skoda Octavia, Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass, Mitsubishi Grandis, Mitsubishi Outlander, Chrysler Sebring sedan, Chrysler Sebring (convertible), Dodge Avenger
references
VW AG (2005-03-04). "New VW Passat In Depth". Press release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vo ... hp_2.0_TDI

logiclee · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:18 pm

Yep it's the Volkswagen Audi Group 2.0 Diesel as used across the VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat ranges as well as in a few more external manufacturers models like the Patriot.

I can easily get 55mpg UK without having to go on any economy run.

On my 10 mile back road and main road run to work I average around 26mpg in the kj CRD and around 48mpg in the Patriot CRD.
My wife's VW Diesel powered Fabia does 56mpg on the same run and 68mpg on a steady highway run.

Cheers
Lee

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:37 pm

That Patriot just might be our family car (when the girlfriend and I make ourselves a little family).

I'd take that Patriot over a Passat any day!

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:07 pm

"I noticed in your sig that you have installed a "O" ring in the filter. I copied your "O" ring and it worked well utill the second fill up then back to normal with air and surges, Then I put on a lift pump. All the difference in he world in preformance Very Happy"

Joe...
The o'ring still works good for the "Princess". But I have noticed a little surge when she runs the fuel down around an 1/8 of a tank. All though short lived. I still think with the low fuel and Miss Leadfoot Let's See How This Baby Takes The Curves, at the helm, it sloshes the fuel away from the pick-up and pulls a little vapor. BUT, a lifter is on the docket.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:26 pm

Uffe wrote:

Engine in the patriot CRD is most likely this one:

It's a VW engine :lol:

Read this article

http://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/2007/march/06/12555.asp

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Joe Romas wrote:

Actually it's those in California and the "me too" NE states keeping diesels out. Those states compose I think I herd 50% of the automobile market :shock:

2008 Mercedes Benz E320 diesel sedan for sale in San Rafael, California:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?c ... ardist=300

2008 Mercedes-Benz GL320 diesel SUV in Riverside, California:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?c ... cardist=48

2008 Mercedes-Benz R320 diesel wagon, same dealer in Riverside:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?c ... cardist=48

US automakers don't sell small diesels in America because they have not wanted to invest in the emissions technology to get them clean, the training and infrastructure to service them, and the "slippery slope" of embracing higher MPG vehicles. You can blame the hippies in California, but if those hippies have the $$, they can buy a nice clean 2008 diesel SUV, wagon, or sedan right now.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:20 am

The rich hippies can indeed buy a Benz now. But they have not been able to buy a VW Jetta, Golf or New Beetle TDI for years :wink:

55 MPG In Jeep 2.0L Diesel

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