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Why Can't I Get Diesel From Big Nozzle Pump ?
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Author:  Coal Cracker [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Why Can't I Get Diesel From Big Nozzle Pump ?
Ok,

Now I'm A little pi$$ed

I saw a station here at 3.99 while others we're at 4.23. Waited at diesel pump for a couple trucks to fill up.
Mind you they we're wondering why I was in line behind them, :lol: And getting some really gawking looks.

Ok back to point, waited my turn to get some dino fuel,,and low and behold DC put a restrictor under the fuel cap.

After some cursing an moaning I drove away. What if I we're on vacation, and in the middle of nowhere, and the only pump was high flow. I've run into this situation with my 02 cummins, but hey I can fill up anywhere with that.

If I remove the plastic restrictor with metal flap, will there be a problem fillin up at the high flow pump. Is there a burp valve at the tank?
Author:  ATXKJ [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:56 pm ]
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I don't know what a burp valve is - but I'm pretty sure we don't have one - I think you can use the big nozzle by pulling out the restrictor - however the fuel will foam up because of the higher flow.
Author:  Coal Cracker [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:03 pm ]
Post subject: 
ATXKJ wrote:
I don't know what a burp valve is - but I'm pretty sure we don't have one - I think you can use the big nozzle by pulling out the restrictor - however the fuel will foam up because of the higher flow.



Well I took a good long look at it, it.seems like a plastic adapter, but if I pull it out totally ,the cap won't latch.

And I'm afraid to crack it in place with long nose plies in case some debris goes into tank


A burp valve is on newer gasser cars and trucks , it's like a check valve, it keeps fuel in tank in case of rollover. but it also restricts the filling process.

I know that higer flow would foam, but if you take it easy with the high flow pumps you'd be allright. I've filled my cummins up many times with them, and like to use them more because there's allways fresher fuel.
Author:  crd liberty [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:06 pm ]
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Find a more friendly place to fill up. Those pumps are for rigs that need
100 to 300 gals. Trust me, they no not need for you to take space there for 20 gals???
Yes, I have them down here and have gone thru what you did.

Just my thought is all

Steve
Author:  vtdog [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:08 pm ]
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The jeep will not accept nozzles with the "ring" at the end. Truck stops have those type nozzles which act as a flange to prevent the nozzle from falling out of the tank. The jeep will take the same diameter nozzle without the "ring". It has been my experience that at least one nozzle in any location will not have the ring. Just ask the attendant.
Author:  geordi [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:10 pm ]
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I've filled up with the high-flow before, on both my KJ and my old Jetta. It's not easy to keep the foam from cutting the thing off, but it can be done.

As for the station's thoughts... Who cares? They are selling fuel. Thats what they want to do, whether its 10 gallons or 200.

I think I'm going to carve out that plastic thing on mine however, I do remember it was a tight fit with that nozzle.
Author:  Coal Cracker [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:13 pm ]
Post subject: 
crd liberty wrote:
Find a more friendly place to fill up. Those pumps are for rigs that need
100 to 300 gals. Trust me, they no not need for you to take space there for 20 gals???
Yes, I have them down here and have gone thru what you did.

Just my thought is all

Steve




I know, I don't allways go there, but where I'm at, I'm limited to Stations that have Diesel. It's a Sunoco with a single Diesel pump, usually box trucks and garbage truck of that sort.


The thing that worry's me, if I travel from Pa. to Colorado, or even venture into Wyoming. There aren't allways low flow pumps to use. Using the Cummins I've had to mingle a few times with rigs, because Cheyenne Was according to the sign 350 mi. away, and I remember there was no low flow's in sight.

or if there are low flows visible, they are mixed in the middle of gassers(patooie) and you can't get at them.
Author:  ATXKJ [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:24 pm ]
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I thought it was a simple unbolt - but it sounds like you have to trim

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=162857#162857
Author:  crd liberty [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:30 pm ]
Post subject: 
Coal Cracker wrote:
crd liberty wrote:
Find a more friendly place to fill up. Those pumps are for rigs that need
100 to 300 gals. Trust me, they no not need for you to take space there for 20 gals???
Yes, I have them down here and have gone thru what you did.

Just my thought is all

Steve




I know, I don't allways go there, but where I'm at, I'm limited to Stations that have Diesel. It's a Sunoco with a single Diesel pump, usually box trucks and garbage truck of that sort.


The thing that worry's me, if I travel from Pa. to Colorado, or even venture into Wyoming. There aren't allways low flow pumps to use. Using the Cummins I've had to mingle a few times with rigs, because Cheyenne Was according to the sign 350 mi. away, and I remember there was no low flow's in sight.

or if there are low flows visible, they are mixed in the middle of gassers(patooie) and you can't get at them.


Ain't no problem but be aware that the big nozzle will not fit our tractors. sure, you can fill er up slowly this way.
Stand back in case it burps on you.
I have found that packing a piece, lifting the shirt to let the piece show, helps in calming most of the truckers
waiting behind you, to pump 20 gals.

Just for thought.
Steve
Author:  Goglio704 [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:21 pm ]
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You can remove the restriction. Every now and then when fueling in some little town with one (large) diesel pump, I'm darn glad I did.

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Author:  geordi [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:59 pm ]
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Out of curiosity, how did you remove yours? I just got done creating the need to go to a junkyard tomorrow, as the stupid thing was not only almost impossible to remove... But it managed to break itself on the way out. And that plastic insert in the neck? Yea... Its some kinda nuclear plastic. Not only wouldn't remove, but even wouldn't BREAK under blows from a hammer. (By that point the tube was so buggered it didn't matter anymore.)

Stealer wants $175 for a simple steel and plastic tube... "Because its a diesel, all the parts are more expensive"

Yea, right. :roll:

I was trying to remove it from the car to PREVENT having to completely replace it, and also to prevent contamination of the fuel tank... Now I have to replace it anyway, but at least the tank is still clean. Stupid rubber hose would not loosen up until after I had gotten the tube upside-down (and apparently cracked off part of its this plastic frame) and then... It slipped out almost instantly when poked with a screwdriver. ARRRHHHHGGGGGG!!!!!
Author:  Goglio704 [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:06 pm ]
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I drilled a series of nearly adjoining 1/8" holes around the restriction and then cut the rest with a chisel. Used a small drum sander in a drill to clean up the edges. All this was done with the filler neck out of the Jeep. For that I had to take out the screws that are visible when the filler door is open and disconnect the hose at the tank. I tried to take the hose loose from the neck, but had better luck at the tank.
Author:  chrispitude [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:06 pm ]
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vtdog wrote:
It has been my experience that at least one nozzle in any location will not have the ring. Just ask the attendant.


Same here. Sometimes it's a pain to find, but it's usually there. Most often, it's the pump closest to the attached shop with the fuel desk.

- Chris
Author:  Coal Cracker [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:48 pm ]
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Man, You guys are AWESOME. I tried searchin through threds for this, but No avail.

Every time I get down, and think What did I buy?, somebody has a fix. I love this little tractor, My wife and I bought it together figuring we'd both be usin it, but I've kinda confiscated it.. I know what I'll be doin this weekend.

I'll pull the filler neck and Take that stupid thing out.

The diesel station with the big Full flow is still 30 some cents cheaper than all the others who are Gouging around here.


Thanks A Whole Heck Of Alot
Author:  geordi [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:06 pm ]
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Yea, well when you are taking it out... I would suggest using a flat screwdriver to poke into the end of the rubber hose and maybe yours will come off without trashing the top of the pipe where all the weak plastic is.

Of course they used the heavy plastic INSIDE the pipe, where it didn't need to be. :roll:
Author:  warp2diesel [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:22 pm ]
Post subject:  How about a Knock out punch?
I have a set of Electrical Box Knock Out Punches that can cut through even Steel that I bought from Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=91201 . After you get the neck off using a dull screwdriver with some lube on it like WD-40 the dies could be placed in the filler hole and make it bigger.

Does any one know what the OD of the big high flow nozzle is?

As far as fill up with a big nozzle goes, my Wife has filled her TDI many times with out a problem.


Another mod on my list,

Steve
Author:  805gregg [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:34 pm ]
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I ran into this problem in Baja, most of the pumps have the large nozzels. The first one I came up against, I started walking around the station, I came across a springy piece of metal (maybe out of a wiper blade) I bent it into a U shape with 2 right angle bends at the top of the U legs ( so it wouldn't fall in). I put that into the filler to open the little door and keep it open worked every time. Filling was slow but I always fill up at 1/2 tank so only 10 gallon wait and the Mexican attendents pumped for me so no big deal. I've still got it around here somewhere.
Author:  crd liberty [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:09 am ]
Post subject: 
I wonder why a adapter couldn't be made?
Say large pvc coupled down to smaller? Or maybe some tubing large to smaller?
You would still be slower filling than just the big nozzle, but it should work.
Carry it with you when you need it.

Steve
Author:  Goglio704 [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:45 am ]
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For what it's worth, I didn't take the plastic insert out of the steel neck for the modification. I removed the whole assembly from the Jeep for ease of working and to prevent crud in the tank. I looked at taking the plastic out of the neck for modification, but decided not to. If I remember, it looked like it the steel had been crimped down on the plastic.
Author:  geordi [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:24 pm ]
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Got mine done finally, now all I need to do is hit a hydraulic hose place and get a couple inches to make a coupler. I went to the boneyard today and pulled the fill tube from a Chrysler minivan... Don't know which one, I only was looking at the inner parts of the fuel door. I decided to cut the pipe downstream of the plastic insert on both the donor and my pipe, so I wouldn't lose the neck-down that our pipes do. Why exactly do the gassers have a 1.5" fill tube, while we are stuck with a 3/4"? Seems kinda stupid to me, but thats Chrysler. Never thinking about the design, only the outward looks.

Once the tops were separated, it was a LOT easier to drill out the restriction without hurting the plastic more than needed.

BTW: You can't remove the plastic from the tube. It's not crimped in place, it's held in with some kind of space-age glue, and the plastic is stronger than the aluminum pipe.

Now I've only got to transfer the grounding wire to the new tip, and it should be ready to re-install once I get that bit of tubing to clamp the two halves together.
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