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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:58 pm 
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I keep hearing about an upcoming trucker strike because of diesel prices starting April 1st. Does anyone know if it's true, would it do any good???

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it couldn't hurt fuel prices but it would make everything you could imagine begin to disappear from store shelves rather quickly.

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Why would it do any good? The stuff still has to be delivered, it'll just be a day late and extra runs will have to be made(negating any consumption advantage)...

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Well, after over 2 decades driving semi's, I don't believe it will ever happen except by only a few drivers.

Truckers are an interesting lot. If you ask 2 drivers the same question, you will get 3 opinions. Only until truckers can firmly answer in unison what they are striking for, will you ever see a confirmed strike that may indeed garner results.

Only the truckers that are not negotiating good contracts that include fuel surcharge adjustments are hurting. I presently get a fuel surcharge that is adjusted weekly to reflect current prices. It is based on a 5.5 mpg average and a base price of $1.25 a gallon. At present, the fuel surcharge is $.49 a mile. If I average just 1 mpg better than the fuel surcharge calculation (which I currently do at 6.5 mpg) then I, in fact, make an addtional $10K net a year. yes, I said NET.

So will I, for one, go on a strike? Why? I can't help it that some do not know how to manage a business. Sound harsh? Too bad. Trucking is not something of TV shows and movies about Smokey and the Bandit. It is a business not unlike any other. If you watch the spreadsheets and manage it like a business, then you can weather the tough times and do pretty good on the upside.

Last year, the owners that were true business managers, made more net income while operating fewer miles. The stats don't lie. Even with the higher fuel prices, my net is greater than last year. My NET after the 3rd week this month was over $6K. And that was while paying for an average fuel price of $3.89. Yes, NET. After fuel, maintenance, taxes, medical insurance.... everything pertaining to the business and personal taxes.

Let them go on strike. I do not see the necessity and I sure don't want any Government involvment in an industry that is already saturated with government regulation. Any time the government sticks its finger in something, it ruins it for everyone.

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Well, after over 2 decades driving semi's, I don't believe it will ever happen except by only a few drivers.

Truckers are an interesting lot. If you ask 2 drivers the same question, you will get 3 opinions. Only until truckers can firmly answer in unison what they are striking for, will you ever see a confirmed strike that may indeed garner results.

Only the truckers that are not negotiating good contracts that include fuel surcharge adjustments are hurting. I presently get a fuel surcharge that is adjusted weekly to reflect current prices. It is based on a 5.5 mpg average and a base price of $1.25 a gallon. At present, the fuel surcharge is $.49 a mile. If I average just 1 mpg better than the fuel surcharge calculation (which I currently do at 6.5 mpg) then I, in fact, make an addtional $10K net a year. yes, I said NET.

So will I, for one, go on a strike? Why? I can't help it that some do not know how to manage a business. Sound harsh? Too bad. Trucking is not something of TV shows and movies about Smokey and the Bandit. It is a business not unlike any other. If you watch the spreadsheets and manage it like a business, then you can weather the tough times and do pretty good on the upside.

Last year, the owners that were true business managers, made more net income while operating fewer miles. The stats don't lie. Even with the higher fuel prices, my net is greater than last year. My NET after the 3rd week this month was over $6K. And that was while paying for an average fuel price of $3.89. Yes, NET. After fuel, maintenance, taxes, medical insurance.... everything pertaining to the business and personal taxes.

Let them go on strike. I do not see the necessity and I sure don't want any Government involvment in an industry that is already saturated with government regulation. Any time the government sticks its finger in something, it ruins it for everyone.


Sounds like you've done your homework! Honestly, we drive what we want to drive rather than drive what we need. It may seem selfish, but it’s true. :oops: I suggested to my wife that we could buy a Jetta with the 2.0L diesel, however, she would rather have the Grand Cherokee with the 3.0L diesel instead. Points for her. :wink: Neither one of us really want to own or drive a car, therefore we can’t complain about fuel prices, and the cost of fuel really doesn’t bother me. I’ll be pumping diesel even at $5.00 dollars a gallon. :shock: I still like engine efficiency, so I do spend money on upgrades such as exhaust, cold air intakes, and synthetic oils. If possible, I would run bio all the time.

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The REAL reason all fuel prices are high is the DEVALUATION of the US DOLLAR!

Oil is traded on the WORLD market in US Dollars. Since our economy is currently in a Recession, the value of the US Dollar has DROPPED significantly over the last year.

Weak US Dollar = Higher Fuel prices! It is a DIRECT CORRELATION !

The only thing a trucker strike will do is piss people off at truckers! PERIOD!

You read it here first!

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I remember a few years ago when truck drivers were going to strike because of the new "Hours of Service"...

Needless to say, It didn't happen.

I have been a truck driver for 12 years, And i know for a FACT that you can not get 10 truck drivers to agree on anything... Hence the reason a strike will never work in the USA.

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Katmandu wrote:
The REAL reason all fuel prices are high is the DEVALUATION of the US DOLLAR!

Oil is traded on the WORLD market in US Dollars. Since our economy is currently in a Recession, the value of the US Dollar has DROPPED significantly over the last year.

Weak US Dollar = Higher Fuel prices! It is a DIRECT CORRELATION !

The only thing a trucker strike will do is piss people off at truckers! PERIOD!

You read it here first!


We euro guys like your low dollar, it means the record high fuel prices are counter-balanced :)

Low dollar price means low fuel price for everyone except people paying with dollars.

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If the US Dollar stays devalued...there is one positive point...things will start being made here instead of overseas (including services and products). Farming out to India, ect. will slow down.

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If the US Dollar stays devalued...there is one positive point...things will start being made here instead of overseas (including services and products). Farming out to India, ect. will slow down.
This EXACTLY what the Bush Capitalist Republicans want!

They want to turn this country into CHINA! With SLAVE labor! Walmart is leading the charge! The FACTS speak for themselves!

The middle class is being desimated right before our very eyes! The divide between Rich and Poor is expanding so fast the average person can not comprehend it!

So, if you make <$100,000/year and you are a Republican, YOU are INSANE! Yea! I said it! :shock: INSANE! :lol:

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They want to turn this country into CHINA! With SLAVE labor! Walmart is leading the charge! The FACTS speak for themselves!


LOL! :lol:

It will actually strengthen the US export and the investor will to put money in the US when the dollar is lower, so it isn't bad for the competition on an international level, but it is a little bad when you want to import stuff from outside the US.

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They want to turn this country into CHINA! With SLAVE labor! Walmart is leading the charge! The FACTS speak for themselves!


LOL! :lol:

It will actually strengthen the US export and the investor will to put money in the US when the dollar is lower, so it isn't bad for the competition on an international level, but it is a little bad when you want to import stuff from outside the US.


I'm with ya. Basic economics. Its funny that it doesn't matter if the dollar is strong or weak, you get the same reaction from those that think its all a conspiracy.

Certainly would be more constructive to have these business men learn to manage their own fuel costs than to try an artificially and temporarily modify the fuel market.

The fact that truckers can't agree is a testament to the power of individuality and personal responsibility. You've got to look out for your family, your business and your community, take care of your interests. Its only those with too much time on their hands or lack family, business and community that want everyone to act together for this mythical "common good".

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I always felt that "BJ and The Bear" painted a more complete picture of life as a trucker than did "Smokey and The Bandit".

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if the dollar devalulation is the cause of the diesel prices rising then why isn't gasoline prices rising just as much...
both are made from oil. ergo something is wrong with this theory. around here gas has dropped 5 or so cents in the past 2 week. diesel maybe dropped a couple of cents but this is after rising almost 70 cents/gallon

notice everyone blames Bush...but no one blames congress...yes the Democratic led congress. things are worse now then 2006 with the Dem took over congress...so Dems just be honest better now or in 2006???

but this has nothing to do with a trucker strike...all goods will be affected, including FUEL!!! unless you use biodiesel :)

hey these are just my 2 cents

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Biodiesel requires diesel to manufacture, after all we use a mechanized farm system in the US. Thats why its price tends to trend roughly the same as regular diesel.

And in my area gas prices have been rising just as quickly when viewed on a longer time frame than a week. Keep in mind that within such a short period you are looking at demand curves, if one week more diesel is consumed then that will offset the price drop due to higher demand, conversely if gas demand drops, it will drop in price more than diesel. Gas is primarily sold to consumers, which are on a fairly predictable schedule(consumption rises during holidays due to travel, for instance), but diesel demand is dependant on the economy and its shipping needs, which do not always follow the same trend.

Basically you are oversimplifying and trying to make an argument about it. Two major factors are hitting gas/diesel prices: The dropping dollar and speculation in the oil market. If you double the value of the dollar you get a price per gallon of around $2.25, if you take off the 10% premium speculators have added you get about $2/gallon, which is not that much higher than it was back in 2001 before an idiotic war and rampant inflation combined with a dropping dollar and a unsteady stock market(which drives investors to commodities, such as oil, to protect their portfolio). Put it all together, and the current prices make perfect sense.

The best thing the feds could do is bite the bullet, let some financial institutions collapse, encourage people to pay off thier debts, balance the budget and work on paying off the national debt, and eat the pain for a decade. We'd then be in the best position in the world for explosive economic growth since most nations carry large amounts of debt.

But no one in DC has the guts to do that, politicians don't win election by promising a decade of economic pain, even if the long term benefits could last decades beyond that.

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Biodiesel requires diesel to manufacture, after all we use a mechanized farm system in the US. Thats why its price tends to trend roughly the same as regular diesel.

And in my area gas prices have been rising just as quickly when viewed on a longer time frame than a week. Keep in mind that within such a short period you are looking at demand curves, if one week more diesel is consumed then that will offset the price drop due to higher demand, conversely if gas demand drops, it will drop in price more than diesel. Gas is primarily sold to consumers, which are on a fairly predictable schedule(consumption rises during holidays due to travel, for instance), but diesel demand is dependant on the economy and its shipping needs, which do not always follow the same trend.

Basically you are oversimplifying and trying to make an argument about it. Two major factors are hitting gas/diesel prices: The dropping dollar and speculation in the oil market. If you double the value of the dollar you get a price per gallon of around $2.25, if you take off the 10% premium speculators have added you get about $2/gallon, which is not that much higher than it was back in 2001 before an idiotic war and rampant inflation combined with a dropping dollar and a unsteady stock market(which drives investors to commodities, such as oil, to protect their portfolio). Put it all together, and the current prices make perfect sense.

The best thing the feds could do is bite the bullet, let some financial institutions collapse, encourage people to pay off thier debts, balance the budget and work on paying off the national debt, and eat the pain for a decade. We'd then be in the best position in the world for explosive economic growth since most nations carry large amounts of debt.

But no one in DC has the guts to do that, politicians don't win election by promising a decade of economic pain, even if the long term benefits could last decades beyond that.


Agreed, succinctly and articulately put. We need to realize that we need to put willing to put up with some "pain" as you put it for future economic prosperity. It is hard to get people to look at the big picture, and the long term picture. Americans seem to have a very hard time dealing with the latter.

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I have trouble feeling sorry for lenders who gave people earning $40k/year a $400k home loan. I also have trouble feeling sorry for the person earning that who took on so much debt. Both of them deserve what happens when the home is foreclosed and the debt turns bad.

I strongly feel we need to bring back PAYGO, which was key to balancing the budget at the end of the Clinton years. It was one of the first things Bush suspended, and the result will be another decade of deficit spending before its all over. PAYGO required that every new expenditure identify a funding source before it could be added to the budget, that effectively requires a budget to balance within just a few years. I strongly feel we should bring it back and then set aside a percentage of our tax revenue specifically for debt reduction. With some discipline we could do something real for our children, namely hand them a nation that isn't living under crushing amounts of debt.

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A few years ago the UK truckers blocked the main motorways and blocked outputs from fuel refineries.

At that time diesel was 92p per litre. The Government promised to delay fuel tax but it hasn't helped.

Current price is £1.15 per litre or £5.20 a UK gallon. That's around $10 a gallon.

The governement have also announced that owning a low economy car like the kj will cost an extra £455 ($910) a year in tax and an extra £950 ($1900) when you buy it on top of the purchase price and 17.5% standard tax.

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I have trouble feeling sorry for lenders who gave people earning $40k/year a $400k home loan. I also have trouble feeling sorry for the person earning that who took on so much debt. Both of them deserve what happens when the home is foreclosed and the debt turns bad.

I strongly feel we need to bring back PAYGO, which was key to balancing the budget at the end of the Clinton years. It was one of the first things Bush suspended, and the result will be another decade of deficit spending before its all over. PAYGO required that every new expenditure identify a funding source before it could be added to the budget, that effectively requires a budget to balance within just a few years. I strongly feel we should bring it back and then set aside a percentage of our tax revenue specifically for debt reduction. With some discipline we could do something real for our children, namely hand them a nation that isn't living under crushing amounts of debt.


Quite agree with what has been said so far concerning the national debt and the country's finances. Unfortunately, I don't see any of the 3 remaining candidates, or those in Congress of either political stripe, showwing the slightest inclination of going back to this approach. In short, to paraphrase a line from "The American President", they're too busy trying to keep their jobs to actually DO their jobs.

Look at what happened back in the 90's, the first year it was announced the federal budget would actually show a surplus and start paying down the national debt. There were politicians who immediately started screaming "Give us a tax cut, we want our money back!". They knew that the idea people had been overtaxed, had paid more than their "fair share", and "deserved" a tax cut would be an instant sell in many quarters and gain them political points in the short term, instead of the more difficult approach of explaining how they and their children would benefit long term from a balanced budget, paying off the national debt, and repaying the money borrowed from Social Security and ensuring it's long term solvency.

A side point, IMHO the government "borrowing" money from Social Security for other purposes is no different than a corporation embezzling money from the employee's pension fund to cover their other costs.

I'm not impressed with the proposal to make the Federal Reserve the "Homeland Security" of financial regulation. An organization that is not answerable to any other branch of government, who is now suddenly in the business of loaning out federal tax money to keep private financial institutions afloat no matter the reason for them being on the verge of failing, and who's present chairman is the former CEO of one of the very hedge funds that helped get us in this mess to begin with? The old saying about the fox and the henhouse comes to mind.

As far as diesel fuel prices and truckers, despite the fuel surcharges to cover operating costs, I can see in one way how higher fuel prices are going to hurt truckers regardless - it's going to cost more for Freightliner, PACCAR, etc, to build new rigs - increased parts costs from the suppliers, increased shipping costs to the assembly plants, increased operating costs for the plants just to keep the lights and heat on, and increased costs for delivering the new rigs to the customers. Sooner or later, those costs are going to get passed on to the companies and operators buying these trucks via a higher purchase price.

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I see on the news today that some truckers are taking action by sitting idle or driving slow. Seem like there is congressional inquires of big oil profits at the same time. How ironic!

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