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Author:  dog_party [ Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Who wanted/wants a manual tranny?
Just out of entrepreneurial curiosity, who in the U.S. wanted and/or wants a manual tranny for their CRD KJ? Vote, copy/paste the text below, and add your name where appropriate.

I want a manual tranny and I don't care what it costs to make it happen!
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I want a manual tranny and am very interested in the logistics/cost!
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I want a manual tranny, but I don't want to deal with swapping out the auto.
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I wanted a manual tranny, but they only offered auto, and I now enjoy/accept it.
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I wanted an auto tranny and, after modifications, I'm happy with this one.
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I wanted an auto tranny and I'm really happy with this one.
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Author:  Sir Sam [ Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:08 pm ]
Post subject: 
FYI the NV3550 or NSG380 will boltup to our engine no problemo.

The dual mass flywheel and clutch will be pretty expensive.

There was never a Bosche EDC16 US-Spec flash for a MT Jeep. The older Bosche EDC15 MT is not compatible with our engine either. Just leaving the TCM connected or disconnected is not an option either. To that end the only option we would have would be to get a Euro EDC16 MT ECU and clone ours to it via someone with the right equipment(read inmotion).

This leads to some other problems, our EFI setup is not quite the same as the Euro, things like the EGR and such are a little different, which could cause problems.
Author:  BlackLibertyCRD [ Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Who wanted/wants a manual tranny?
dog_party wrote:
I want a manual tranny and I don't care what it costs to make it happen!
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I want a manual tranny and am very interested in the logistics/cost!
1. dog_party
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I want a manual tranny, but I don't want to deal with swapping out the auto.
1. BlacklibertyCRD
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I wanted a manual tranny, but they only offered auto, and I now enjoy/accept it.
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I wanted an auto tranny and, after modifications, I'm happy with this one.
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I wanted an auto tranny and I'm really happy with this one.
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Author:  Desert_Busa [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Who wanted/wants a manual tranny?
dog_party wrote:
Just out of entrepreneurial curiosity, who in the U.S. wanted and/or wants a manual tranny for their CRD KJ? Vote, copy/paste the text below, and add your name where appropriate.

I want a manual tranny and I don't care what it costs to make it happen!
1.
2.
3.

I want a manual tranny and am very interested in the logistics/cost!
1. dog_party
2. Desert_Busa
3.

I want a manual tranny, but I don't want to deal with swapping out the auto.
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I wanted a manual tranny, but they only offered auto, and I now enjoy/accept it.
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I wanted an auto tranny and, after modifications, I'm happy with this one.
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I wanted an auto tranny and I'm really happy with this one.
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I think $10k is reasonable, but may take it all and stick it in my CJ7.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Who wanted/wants a manual tranny?
Desert_Busa wrote:
I think $10k is reasonable, but may take it all and stick it in my CJ7.


stinky poo 10K to convert.....USD?

How quick do you want it done?
Author:  Joe Romas [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:29 pm ]
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I wanted a automatic BUT I ALSO EXPECTED A GOOD TORQUE CONVERTER to go with it :cry:
I want a manual tranny and I don't care what it costs to make it happen!
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I want a manual tranny and am very interested in the logistics/cost!
1. dog_party
2. Desert_Busa
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I want a manual tranny, but I don't want to deal with swapping out the auto.
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3.

I wanted a manual tranny, but they only offered auto, and I now enjoy/accept it.
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I wanted an auto tranny and, after modifications, I'm happy with this one.
1. Joe Romas. But I'm not happy with this TC and don't think I should have to pay more for a good one :roll:
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I wanted an auto tranny and I'm really happy with this one.
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Author:  Pablo [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:40 pm ]
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I wanted a manual when I was looking to buy.

For all the off-roading I do-- I think I am actually happier with the auto as shifting offroad is just one more thing to worry about. The upgrade parts path for it is:

1. Suncost
2. Transgo
3. Cluth packs
4. Extra cooling
5. Custom Programming

1-4 are taken care of. That just leaves 5. I think solving 5 will eventually be doable. When we can get rid of F37 and make the trany shift how and when we want- I will be happy. So the real question for many is doing 1-5 cheaper than swapping a manual?
Author:  Magnum [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:46 pm ]
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I wanted a automatic BUT I ALSO EXPECTED A GOOD TORQUE CONVERTER to go with it Crying or Very sad
I want a manual tranny and I don't care what it costs to make it happen!
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I want a manual tranny and am very interested in the logistics/cost!
1. dog_party
2. Desert_Busa
3.Magnum

I want a manual tranny, but I don't want to deal with swapping out the auto.
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2.
3.

I wanted a manual tranny, but they only offered auto, and I now enjoy/accept it.
1.
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3.

I wanted an auto tranny and, after modifications, I'm happy with this one.
1. Joe Romas. But I'm not happy with this TC and don't think I should have to pay more for a good one Rolling Eyes
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I wanted an auto tranny and I'm really happy with this one.
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Author:  RTStabler51 [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:26 pm ]
Post subject: 
I selected the last option. If I didn't live in a major metro area, I would have selected the manual option.

I tow with mine and so far no complaints with what I've thrown at it.
Author:  Desert_Busa [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Who wanted/wants a manual tranny?
Sir Sam wrote:
Desert_Busa wrote:
I think $10k is reasonable, but may take it all and stick it in my CJ7.


stinky poo 10K to convert.....USD?

How quick do you want it done?


1. I don't want to be the guinea pig
2. I want it to be like it was made with a manual.... not in a DC way (f37ed/held together with duct tape and bubble gum)
3. I want the gearing to be like the auto ~2k rpm @ 70mph
4. Needs to pass the AZ Maricopa emissions test.
5. Traction control and abs functional.

I have my jeep paid for. The warranty is up. Is there anything else out there that would be like this? If it had a manual, I would consider keeping it. I am concerned that the cost would go over $10k USD... changing drive shaft lengths, gears, and finding the right parts can add up.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Who wanted/wants a manual tranny?
Desert_Busa wrote:
Sir Sam wrote:
Desert_Busa wrote:
I think $10k is reasonable, but may take it all and stick it in my CJ7.


stinky poo 10K to convert.....USD?

How quick do you want it done?


1. I don't want to be the guinea pig
2. I want it to be like it was made with a manual.... not in a DC way (f37ed/held together with duct tape and bubble gum)
3. I want the gearing to be like the auto ~2k rpm @ 70mph
4. Needs to pass the AZ Maricopa emissions test.
5. Traction control and abs functional.

I have my jeep paid for. The warranty is up. Is there anything else out there that would be like this? If it had a manual, I would consider keeping it. I am concerned that the cost would go over $10k USD... changing drive shaft lengths, gears, and finding the right parts can add up.


NSG380 $500-1000
Clutch/flywheel - $800-1000
KJ master/slave pedal etc $500-1000
Reuse Tcase/driveshafts: free
ECU ~ $500-800 new overseas

I think it could be done for 5k with a fairly large margin for error.

10K is a huge margin for error
Author:  Pablo [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:19 pm ]
Post subject: 
Would a SFA conversion not be cheaper than a CJ swap? If that is what you are going for.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:20 pm ]
Post subject: 
Pablo wrote:
Would a SFA conversion not be cheaper than a CJ swap? If that is what you are going for.


CJ swap?
Author:  Pablo [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:53 am ]
Post subject: 
Sir Sam wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Would a SFA conversion not be cheaper than a CJ swap? If that is what you are going for.


CJ swap?


Sorry I meant to quote DesertBusa
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:01 am ]
Post subject: 
Pablo wrote:
Sir Sam wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Would a SFA conversion not be cheaper than a CJ swap? If that is what you are going for.


CJ swap?


Sorry I meant to quote DesertBusa


Still dunno what a CJ swap is......

Would that be where you swap a CJ hood onto a liberty? Or a Coral Jet front end conversion? Maybe its a Chris Jenson conversion.......
Author:  Desert_Busa [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:32 pm ]
Post subject: 
Sir Sam wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Sir Sam wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Would a SFA conversion not be cheaper than a CJ swap? If that is what you are going for.


CJ swap?


Sorry I meant to quote DesertBusa


Still dunno what a CJ swap is......

Would that be where you swap a CJ hood onto a liberty? Or a Coral Jet front end conversion? Maybe its a Chris Jenson conversion.......


Put the liberty drive train in my cj7...

Just changing the transmission doesn't get us there... well maybe some people would be happy. I want the rpms down to 2k at 70mph. The final drive is 0.67 on the auto and 0.87 on the stick from the FSM. Is the diesel trans different? Don't forget the misc interior pieces... junk yard maybe a cheap find with the pedal assembly?
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:15 pm ]
Post subject: 
Desert_Busa wrote:
Sir Sam wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Sir Sam wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Would a SFA conversion not be cheaper than a CJ swap? If that is what you are going for.


CJ swap?


Sorry I meant to quote DesertBusa


Still dunno what a CJ swap is......

Would that be where you swap a CJ hood onto a liberty? Or a Coral Jet front end conversion? Maybe its a Chris Jenson conversion.......


Put the liberty drive train in my cj7...

Just changing the transmission doesn't get us there... well maybe some people would be happy. I want the rpms down to 2k at 70mph. The final drive is 0.67 on the auto and 0.87 on the stick from the FSM. Is the diesel trans different? Don't forget the misc interior pieces... junk yard maybe a cheap find with the pedal assembly?


Ah so a CRD swap.....

3.55s would go a long way to get your gearing right.

3.55s are common for the 8.25 rear end.
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