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Author:  maxxgraphix [ Fri May 09, 2008 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  ECU Programmer for CRD?
http://ucables.com/ref/KWP2000

It seems to do just about anything Bosch and the CRD 2.8 is listed. Now this doesn't include a fuel map editor.
Author:  gmctd [ Fri May 09, 2008 3:05 pm ]
Post subject: 
Looks interesting - 300euro = what US?

Neb'mind = 390bucks

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KWP-2000-ECU-Flas ... 0046862392
Author:  Sir Sam [ Fri May 09, 2008 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ECU Programmer for CRD?
maxxgraphix wrote:
http://ucables.com/ref/KWP2000

It seems to do just about anything Bosch and the CRD 2.8 is listed. Now this doesn't include a fuel map editor.



I posted this before and we didn't have much info on it then.


However, it only seems to work for the EDC15, and not the US EDC16.
Author:  CRDMiller [ Thu May 15, 2008 1:04 am ]
Post subject: 
http://www.inmotionusa.com/ has a DIY ecu flash that requires a 2k dollar deposit (it's a loaner tool). Iti'll set you back 350, the same as the ecu flash (you ship yours in) Thing is you could most defiantly flash more than one ecu for the price.

So if a bunch of crd owners go together and did this, at a meet or something, that would be cool. Although we have different ecu software.
Author:  ed. [ Thu May 15, 2008 1:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ECU Programmer for CRD?
Sir Sam wrote:
maxxgraphix wrote:
http://ucables.com/ref/KWP2000

It seems to do just about anything Bosch and the CRD 2.8 is listed. Now this doesn't include a fuel map editor.



I posted this before and we didn't have much info on it then.


However, it only seems to work for the EDC15, and not the US EDC16.


How do we find out what ECU we have? It doesn't list it on my build sheet
Author:  Sir Sam [ Thu May 15, 2008 2:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ECU Programmer for CRD?
ed. wrote:
Sir Sam wrote:
maxxgraphix wrote:
http://ucables.com/ref/KWP2000

It seems to do just about anything Bosch and the CRD 2.8 is listed. Now this doesn't include a fuel map editor.



I posted this before and we didn't have much info on it then.


However, it only seems to work for the EDC15, and not the US EDC16.


How do we find out what ECU we have? It doesn't list it on my build sheet



ed you have the edc15


also, you ready to do the ac controls and that light?
Author:  maxxgraphix [ Thu May 15, 2008 8:18 am ]
Post subject: 
Could one swap out the ECU's? Or do we also have to have the tranny ECU?
Author:  fastRob [ Thu May 15, 2008 9:56 am ]
Post subject:  Swap Same for Same
I think you can swap the same for the same.
I think it would be better to do software upgrades to both at the same time.
Who is doing this stuff and with such a small number of CRD's out there is it going to happen?
Author:  Sir Sam [ Thu May 15, 2008 1:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
maxxgraphix wrote:
Could one swap out the ECU's? Or do we also have to have the tranny ECU?


no the edc15 will not work for our edc16(all 05+) CRDs.
Author:  maxxgraphix [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:58 am ]
Post subject: 
DC has new CRD's. So there will be many more on the road. All these Chip Programmer company's are jumping on the wagon to increase MPG's. MilageMax from SCT and others.

My goal is to get our CRD to 30+mpg. I would think it can do better. Other small diesels get over 40. I say WTF! when our starting dropping 22.5mpg.

We are racking up over 20k per year, so our 70K warranty will be gone within 1 year. I'll hack this thing up anyway I can to make it run like it should.

Personally I think car's / trucks built today are junk compared to older designs. There are so many parts that are engineered to fail right after the warranty. Some even before.
Author:  Joe Romas [ Thu May 22, 2008 1:56 pm ]
Post subject:  That gets us back to here.
So that puts us back to the Q Loader approach that gives us the ability to flash back and foward at will :D But I've not seen a update in a while on it though :cry:
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... er&start=0
Author:  fastRob [ Fri May 23, 2008 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  I Asked The Man
This is what I sent to Inmotionusa:

Dear Inmotionusa,

Your product, apparently, has the most performance potential for my ’06 Jeep Liberty CRD.
However, your firm is not looking so good on this web site.
I am just about to do a performance mod. Before I spend money it is important to get a feel for the company.
You value your image?
There is a lot of money available, in my opinion, to a good ECU mod. Please respond.

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... sc&start=0

Robert

Will post the reply.
Author:  CATCRD [ Fri May 23, 2008 12:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
I just got off the phone with James at Inmotion. He does not think that the engine is "crap" and there is more backstory to the original PO'd person than is in this thread. If you want to do motor swaps out of totalled vehicles, you've got way better/easier/cheaper choices than taking the motor out of a CRD. With all the electronic and emissions controls on this engine, (plus weak TC and no lift pump) it's got enough problems in the stock chassis, with warranty support, nevermind throwing it into another chassis. And this is coming from someone who has two CRDs, and is looking to get the second one flashed by Inmotion.

I've had nothing but good experience with the flash on my first CRD, and you can find my posts with dyno charts. Their customer service was excellent.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Fri May 23, 2008 12:29 pm ]
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Just read thru this thread and am amazed how quickly people jumped on a company that has had good results for members here using thier tune. A new member comes on and types a few UNVERIFIED insults and this thread becomes a with hunt.

Let's see some PROOF that anyone at InMotion said any of that nonsense! The guy is in the business of tuning OEM boxes and ya'll think he is going to alienate the CRD owners with that kind of verbage? We have had numerous members here that have bought from InMotion and were happy with the fast service and good results.

Like in any business, there are always going to be customers that are not fully satisfied...but...you are not going to come on this forum and drag someone's reputation thru the mud without concrete proof. It doesn't even sound like TunerJunkyard even made a purchase thru InMotion...so... maybe you called up to get some information and didn't like what you heard! Maybe you were asking about a certain application for the 2.8L CRD and were given a different option that wasn't to your liking. Whatever the reason, you are not going to use L.O.S.T. as a way to discredit ANY VENDOR without personal experience and then it is still going to be done in a professional tone or not at all!

I am going to delete parts of this thread which have no basis/proof and move on.
Author:  TunerJunkyard [ Fri May 23, 2008 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I Asked The Man
fastRob wrote:
This is what I sent to Inmotionusa:

Dear Inmotionusa,

...There is a lot of money available, in my opinion, to a good ECU mod. Please respond.

Robert

Will post the reply.


James from Inmotionusa just looked me and called me to apologize for the comments that he made about "rednecks" and "hillbillies."

He explained to me that many of the calls he gets from CRD owners "99%" are complaint calls due to failures in the EGR, transmission, etc., which led to his negative feelings and/or comments about the CRD.

As it has been about 2 weeks since I spoke to him, I cannot rightly say if he said "crap," although I seem to remember it enough that it stuck in my mind.

He did not, at any time, imply that VW TDI's were better for our application, however he is very much a fan of them. This came up in conversation he and I had about a conversion in another vehicle using a CRD driveline.

The only two negative aspects I have from the call were that I felt a quasi-implied threat when he mentioned he had spoken to his lawyer about my post, although his attorney apparently told him that his sense of humor and manner of speaking could be misconstrued, as it was by myself. He also, several times, asked that I edit or retract my original post, which I will not do, as it was both factual and accurate.

So where do I stand? I appreciate that he had the stones to call up and apologize. I am insulted by the mention of his attorney and his desire for me to retract/edit my original post. So he's 50% better in my favor for being a gentleman and apologizing. Still not good enough, however, to get either my money, or a positive recommendation of him or his company.

C'est la Vie.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Fri May 23, 2008 12:41 pm ]
Post subject: 
So you called InMotion up to pick thier brains about an engine swap of the CRD into some other vehicle and InMotion suggested their would be better options...the 5 or 6 cylinder TDIs come to mind?
That is a very different scenario.
Author:  TunerJunkyard [ Fri May 23, 2008 12:51 pm ]
Post subject: 
DarbyWalters wrote:
So you called InMotion up to pick thier brains about an engine swap of the CRD into some other vehicle and InMotion suggested their would be better options...the 5 or 6 cylinder TDIs come to mind?
That is a very different scenario.


Absolutely not. I called about my libby, after I had my answers, I asked about a possible conversion project using libby running gear. Two topics, one conversation.

The negative feelings were conveyed over the course of the entire conversation.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Fri May 23, 2008 1:02 pm ]
Post subject: 
CATCRD wrote:
If you want to do motor swaps out of totalled vehicles, you've got way better/easier/cheaper choices than taking the motor out of a CRD. With all the electronic and emissions controls on this engine, (plus weak TC and no lift pump) it's got enough problems in the stock chassis, with warranty support, nevermind throwing it into another chassis. .


I disagree.

The only emissions control we have is the EGR.

The only external electronic control we have is the turbo soleniod.

Granted there are about 30 pins that need to be connected to the engine harness for it to run standalone, but those are easy.

What better/easier/cheaper motor exists out there for a swap?
Author:  TunerJunkyard [ Fri May 23, 2008 1:02 pm ]
Post subject: 
TunerJunkyard wrote:
DarbyWalters wrote:
So you called InMotion up to pick thier brains about an engine swap of the CRD into some other vehicle and InMotion suggested their would be better options...the 5 or 6 cylinder TDIs come to mind?
That is a very different scenario.


Absolutely not. I called about my libby, after I had my answers, I asked about a possible conversion project using libby running gear. Two topics, one conversation.

The negative feelings were conveyed over the course of the entire conversation.


Furthermore, I am not welcome to come onto a forum, for a vehicle for which I own, and comment about treatment by a vendor?

That makes no sense. Seems a lot of half-stories are being told by James at InMotion, because the primary reason I called was about upgrading my ECU, and asked the second question as an afterthought, after being told that the transmission in my Jeep was junk from the factory. I had planned to order a Stage 1 tuning, inquired about what more could be done, and that is when every negative thing about the CRD was brought up.

I am in business for myself, and I know that when a customer asks about buying something for their vehicle, you give them facts, say nothing bad about something they own, and leave it at that

I was not, at any time, "PO'd" nor did I loose my temper. I was insulted and annoyed that I had been told, for the better part of 20 minutes, how many faults my vehicle had and how much better VW TDI's were.

The issue is not that he recommended a different solution. The issue was that he made it seem like anyone considering a CRD was an idiot to not buy a VW platform, be it for an SUV *OR* the conversion I spoke to him about.

It seems that the facts are being distorted a tad by James' selective recall. Such is the wont with most such incidents.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Fri May 23, 2008 1:15 pm ]
Post subject: 
Sir Sam wrote:
CATCRD wrote:
If you want to do motor swaps out of totalled vehicles, you've got way better/easier/cheaper choices than taking the motor out of a CRD. With all the electronic and emissions controls on this engine, (plus weak TC and no lift pump) it's got enough problems in the stock chassis, with warranty support, nevermind throwing it into another chassis. .


I disagree.

The only emissions control we have is the EGR.

The only external electronic control we have is the turbo soleniod.

Granted there are about 30 pins that need to be connected to the engine harness for it to run standalone, but those are easy.

What better/easier/cheaper motor exists out there for a swap?


I think you have to take into consideration the sheer number (or lack of) engines available. There is not an endless supply of CRD engines in the US. I am not a VW or Mercedes expert by any means, but there are definitely other options other than the VM CRD and any smart business venture would take into account ALL those options. There are also many tuners out there already for the VW TDIs, much more so than the VM CRDs.
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