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lastly if anyone knows how to get the stupid thing to start flashing its lights again when we lock/unlock it... that would be nice (it mysteriously stopped doing it after it went to Jeep for a replacement intercooler hose).

kcfoxie wrote:

Read the owners manual. Its in there, along with groovy things like programming the radio and child safety locks.

I'm going to look in the manual, but I found a listing online on another Jeep forum that was transcribed from a 2006 manual and it's methods don't work on 05 models.

Thank you ATXKJ your my new hero!! So it's safe to order the above part? If I give this # to NAPA or Autozone do you think they can acquire it?

I have no problem mail ordering, as I plan to put this in myself, but I'm just curious what can/can't be obtained thru national chains. I can get a fuel filter from NAPA (and only NAPA); basically I want to minimize dealer experience as best as possible.

What glow plug you install depends on your vehicle. Some were built with a ceramic plug, and some were built with metallic plugs.

One way to tell is to look at the front of the engine on the timing belt cover at the top, there may or may not be a yellow sticker that says "Caution, 7V Ceramic Glow Plug".

Do not trust the code - measure the resistance - should be ~.5 to 1.5 ohms - measure when cold (my bad ones have been ~120+ohms)
then pull the cap off the plug you think is right and measure again - it should be open.

The numbering is either off - or they start from the back - don't know but my # 3 - was the second from the front

and I'm now on my 5th glow plug for that cylinder in 3 months - the longest any has lasted is 2 weeks

2 dealerships and a DIY - not sure what's going on.

MrMopar64 wrote:

Summit says that 05142577AA is equivalent to a Bosch 80041, which they say is Inconel, not ceramic.
Did Jeep CRD glow plug systems come in 7volt and 12 volt editions?
Does the glow plug need to be selected by VIN?

Author:	kcfoxie [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:31 am ]
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http://www.autobarn.net/sophioitem4.htm ... &mfr=BOSCH Autozone seems to be the only parts store that even suggests it can get the glow plug for the CRD. However they're out of stock from the supplier! Go figure. The part # I get from autozone is 80041. Can anyone verify that the autobarn glowplug is what we need to resolve the check engine light for glowplug #1? Is this any more difficult to install than a spark plug? lastly if anyone knows how to get the stupid thing to start flashing its lights again when we lock/unlock it... that would be nice (it mysteriously stopped doing it after it went to Jeep for a replacement intercooler hose).

Author:	nursecosmo [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:28 pm ]
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kcfoxie wrote: lastly if anyone knows how to get the stupid thing to start flashing its lights again when we lock/unlock it... that would be nice (it mysteriously stopped doing it after it went to Jeep for a replacement intercooler hose). Read the owners manual. Its in there, along with groovy things like programming the radio and child safety locks.

Author:	kcfoxie [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:47 pm ]
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nursecosmo wrote: kcfoxie wrote: lastly if anyone knows how to get the stupid thing to start flashing its lights again when we lock/unlock it... that would be nice (it mysteriously stopped doing it after it went to Jeep for a replacement intercooler hose). Read the owners manual. Its in there, along with groovy things like programming the radio and child safety locks. I'm going to look in the manual, but I found a listing online on another Jeep forum that was transcribed from a 2006 manual and it's methods don't work on 05 models. I found someone talked about how to do the beep change on the 05 but nothing on lights, the dealer says it may need to be done with the computer and ODB port and if so they'll do it for free since it stopped working after they replaced the boost hose and reset the MIL on the dash. I'll check and report back tonight. I'm not used to such data being printed in the owners manual (ze germans are secretive about these things).

Author:	ATXKJ [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:53 pm ]
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Apparently they changed the part number and didn't let everyone know - I got the same discontinued story from Rock Auto but Mopar Parts America had the new ones in stock http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocator&siteid=214583&chapter=&sectionids=3,2413&groupid=10029&subgroupid=20041&componentid=60687&make=17&model=Liberty&year=2005&catalogid=1&displayCatalogid=0 box says 5142577AA but search doesn't find it There's also an 86653 - probably manufacturer's number

Author:	kcfoxie [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:59 pm ]
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Thank you ATXKJ your my new hero!! So it's safe to order the above part? If I give this # to NAPA or Autozone do you think they can acquire it? I have no problem mail ordering, as I plan to put this in myself, but I'm just curious what can/can't be obtained thru national chains. I can get a fuel filter from NAPA (and only NAPA); basically I want to minimize dealer experience as best as possible.

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Author:	ATXKJ [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:06 pm ]
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I assume NAPA and Autozone can get it - I've had good luck with Mopar Parts so I just order from them.

Author:	cerich [ Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:44 pm ]
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summit has it as well I believe

Author:	nescosmo [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:51 am ]
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If your reading said #1 it maybe #3 or 4 all depends where the wiring is install . Before you take it out check the resistance to see if it is the one, and be very carefull they are very fragil and it they brake they could fall in to the chamber. so be (caution). With the new one do not touch the tip.

Author:	Goglio704 [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:55 am ]
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kcfoxie wrote: I'm going to look in the manual, but I found a listing online on another Jeep forum that was transcribed from a 2006 manual and it's methods don't work on 05 models. Actually, the 06 procedures do work on some 05 models, including mine, which is why I posted that info in another section of this forum for you. I didn't come up with that on my own. I read it on here somewhere and gave it a try. I was ready to do wiring changes if need be to eliminate the horn chirp, having tried the 05 procedures without success.

Author:	MrMopar64 [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:15 am ]
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What glow plug you install depends on your vehicle. Some were built with a ceramic plug, and some were built with metallic plugs. One way to tell is to look at the front of the engine on the timing belt cover at the top, there may or may not be a yellow sticker that says "Caution, 7V Ceramic Glow Plug".

Author:	WW99 [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:49 pm ]
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kcfoxie wrote: Thank you ATXKJ your my new hero!! So it's safe to order the above part? If I give this # to NAPA or Autozone do you think they can acquire it? I have no problem mail ordering, as I plan to put this in myself, but I'm just curious what can/can't be obtained thru national chains. I can get a fuel filter from NAPA (and only NAPA); basically I want to minimize dealer experience as best as possible. I understand your pain with the dealership. They were trying to charge me over $250 to change one glow plug. That can't be right, can it? Surely I can figure this out myself. The code tells me it is the #4 plug. Is it that difficult to change?

Author:	Wobbly [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:27 pm ]
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The labor charge could vary depending on which glow plug is to be replaced, but #4 doesn't look to be very difficult: From the 06 manual: 1, Disconnect negative battery cable. 2. To access the glow plug for cylinder number one, no additional components need to be removed. 3. To remove the glow plug for cylinder number two, remove the rear generator bracket. 4. To remove the glow plug for cylinder number three, remove the EGR pipe from the intake elbow and remove the intake elbow. 5. To remove the glow plug for cylinder number four, relocate the fuel filter assembly. 6. Disconnect glow plug electrical connectors. 7. Remove glow plugs from cylinder head

Author:	WW99 [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:10 pm ]
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Thanks, Wobbly. This is the first thing that has gone wrong with mine since I bought it (50K+ miles). I guess it's time to get busy. Thanks again.

Author:	ATXKJ [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:02 pm ]
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Do not trust the code - measure the resistance - should be ~.5 to 1.5 ohms - measure when cold (my bad ones have been ~120+ohms) then pull the cap off the plug you think is right and measure again - it should be open. The numbering is either off - or they start from the back - don't know but my # 3 - was the second from the front and I'm now on my 5th glow plug for that cylinder in 3 months - the longest any has lasted is 2 weeks 2 dealerships and a DIY - not sure what's going on.

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Author:	Wobbly [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:40 pm ]
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MrMopar64 wrote: What glow plug you install depends on your vehicle. Some were built with a ceramic plug, and some were built with metallic plugs. One way to tell is to look at the front of the engine on the timing belt cover at the top, there may or may not be a yellow sticker that says "Caution, 7V Ceramic Glow Plug". Summit says that 05142577AA is equivalent to a Bosch 80041, which they say is Inconel, not ceramic. Did Jeep CRD glow plug systems come in 7volt and 12 volt editions? Does the glow plug need to be selected by VIN?

Author:	warp2diesel [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:58 pm ]
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ATXKJ wrote: Do not trust the code - measure the resistance - should be ~.5 to 1.5 ohms - measure when cold (my bad ones have been ~120+ohms) then pull the cap off the plug you think is right and measure again - it should be open. The numbering is either off - or they start from the back - don't know but my # 3 - was the second from the front and I'm now on my 5th glow plug for that cylinder in 3 months - the longest any has lasted is 2 weeks 2 dealerships and a DIY - not sure what's going on. The resistor that drops the voltage going to that glow plug inside the glow plug module may be shorted out. 06 FSM p 967: MODULE-GLOW PLUG DESCRIPTION CAUTION: The glow plug system is a 7 volt system. DO NOT ATTEMPT to test the glow plug system with a 12V power source or damage will occur. The glow plug module (2) is mounted to the inner fender between the battery and the master cylinder (1) in the engine compartment. For an explanation of the glow plug system operation (Refer to 8 - ELECTRICAL/ IGNITION CONTROL/GLOW PLUG RELAY - OPERATION). OPERATION CAUTION: The glow plug system is a 7 volt system. DO NOT ATTEMPT to test the glow plug system with a 12V power source or damage will occur. When the ignition (key) switch is placed in the ON position, a signal is sent from the sensors to the ECM relaying current engine coolant temperature and ambient air temperature. After receiving this signal, the ECM will determine if, when and for how long of a period the glow plugs should be activated. This is done before, during and after the engine is started. Whenever the glow plug module (2) is activated, it will control the 7 volt high amperage circuit for the operation of the four glow plugs. The Glow Plug lamp is tied to this circuit. Lamp operation is also controlled by the ECM. With a cold engine, the glow plug module and glow plugs may be activated for a maximum time of 200 seconds. Refer to the following Glow Plug Control chart for a temperature/time comparison of the glow plug relay operation. In this chart, Pre-Heat and Post-Heat times are mentioned. Pre-Heat is the amount of time the glow plug control circuit is activated when the ignition (key) is switched ON, without the engine running. Post-Heat is the amount of time the glow plug control circuit is activated after the engine is operated. The Glow Plug lamp will not be activated during the post-heat cycle. I suspect the Steeler's tech did not bother to check for 7volts output to the glow plug, if you have more, the Laws of Physics indicate you will cook the glow plug. Since this a Dealer Cluster F#&, you may have a way to get Chrysler to pay for it under a State Lemon Law, since they never fixed it or had a test that does not take a little deductive reasoning to come up with, but I am not a Lawyer. If you really want to P!$$ them off, ask Chrysler if they plan to install a Vending machine where you drop in the junk glow plug or put a credit card in the slot Good Luck Shooting trouble and sniping Cluster F#&$ is my job

Author:	ATXKJ [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:02 pm ]
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The Dealerships will keep replacing them for free - but it's a hassle to take it in. The glow plug module was replaced on one of the trips - but I'd bet no one checked a voltage (they looked clueless when I asked them what the resistance measured)

Author:	WW99 [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:09 pm ]
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Wobbly wrote: MrMopar64 wrote: What glow plug you install depends on your vehicle. Some were built with a ceramic plug, and some were built with metallic plugs. One way to tell is to look at the front of the engine on the timing belt cover at the top, there may or may not be a yellow sticker that says "Caution, 7V Ceramic Glow Plug". Summit says that 05142577AA is equivalent to a Bosch 80041, which they say is Inconel, not ceramic. Did Jeep CRD glow plug systems come in 7volt and 12 volt editions? Does the glow plug need to be selected by VIN? Does anyone have the part number for the ceramic plugs? If the 80041 / 05142577AA is not the right part number, where can I find the correct one? Can I just change them all to the 05142577AA? Thanks in advance.

Author:	MrMopar64 [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:39 pm ]
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They should all be 7V "low-voltage" glow plugs, whether it be metallic or ceramic. If you look on the front of the engine cover, you might see a yellow sticker that says "Warning, etc. etc. 7V Ceramic Glow Plugs". That's the sure fire giveaway. To be certain, I would just get the glow plugs from the dealer based on your vin which will show if it ever got updated to the latest and greatest which is ceramic. This would've also coincided with a TSB/calibration change too for the change in glow plugs.

Author:	CATCRD [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:30 am ]
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80041 is the one I got from rockauto.com when one of the plugs in my 2005 blew. Just get one.