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 Post subject: ac5501's GDE Experience
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:09 am 
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Got my GDE Friday!! (not to be confused with GED)

My initial impression, is extremely positive. Definitely has more pep. Shifts a lot smoother.

There is no longer a massive "drag" on the vehicle when I take my foot off of the peddle, and as a result coasts a lot better. It actually behaves like a normal vehicle would in this regard. This is a slight learning curve for me. I've gotten used to using that "drag" to slow the Jeep down when approaching stops and turns etc. Now that it coasts much easier, I find myself hitting the brakes a bit harder than normal when it comes time to stop. I'm gonna have to get used to letting off of the go peddle sooner.

Overall, it seems as if the entire vehicle has changed (in a good way). I can't quite put my finger on it, but is as if the whole vehicle is working a lot less. Like somebody all of a sudden made the car 1000 pounds lighter.

I don't have actual MPG numbers to report as the tune was done "mid tank", but what I observed driving this weekend gives me very high hopes. I have fueled up the tank this morning, and will have an "official" MPG number when I re-fuel Friday evening. I have 4 tank milestones that I make note of, and I will also update this post as those are reached throughout this week.

To give you guyz some context, to get around 33 mpg, I need the following for each point on the fuel gauge:

First sign of Rise Above the Full Line - 110mi
Even with 3/4 Line - 200mi
Even with 1/2 Line - 350mi
Even with 1/4 Line - 500mi

Here are the GDE tune numbers - I will update as the week progresses so stay tuned if you are interested

*** Updated July 18 2009 ****

Begin to Rise Above the Full Line - 114.5
Even with 3/4 Line - 217
Even with 1/2 Line - 385
Even with 1/4 Line - Never made it that far prob. would have been around 560

Tank AVG - 551miles on 15.2gal = 36.2mpg

Tire pressure is 38#
65mph hwy, No AC and windows down quite often
My typical drive consists of mostly 2 lane HWY and Express Way almost completely flat land - 4mi small town (2 lights 2 stop signs), 12mi 2 Lane Hwy (4 Lights 3 of them at the Freeway), 39mi Freeway, 1 mile city (9 lights - gotta love the big city) exact reversal for the drive home.

**** Updated 7-15-09 **** - this is a rehash of a post I just made


Hit the 3/4 mark at 217miles. I know its not the hard numbers some people are looking for, but I wont have one of those until the end of the week when I re-fuel. In fact, since I don't have an evic, it really takes 3-4 tanks to get a feel for the fuel economy. After this week I will only post my tank averages for the next few weeks, not the long winded observations that I am doing this week.

No shudder noticed No shudders as of yet. This wasn't a shudder, and may not be GDE related, but yesterday at 65mph it felt like the transmission downshifted. It did not downshift, but that's what it felt like. Don't know what it was or what caused it, but it was hard enough to get my attention. So I'll list it here, but it may have nothing to do with the GDE

Cruise Control seems to drift up and down ~2mph on small hills and overpasses. I don't consider it a very big deal, it always did this to a certain extent, but its more pronounced now. So I would have to say that the GDE tune had a hand in this. Again, I hardly consider this an issue. What appears to be happening, is going up a hill, the jeep gives the engine more power than it needs to maintain a constant speed. By the time your on top of the hill, you have accelerated about 2mph. Just the opposite seems to happen going down. The Jeep backs off on the throttle a bit too much, and you end up about 2mph slower before the engine "kicks" back in.

Coolant temperature seems more sensitive to the outside temperature/engine cools down faster The temp gauge always has reacted to the outside temp, but since getting the GDE, it seems it takes less of an outside temp change to affect how hot/cold the jeep runs. Not sure if i expressed this correctly, I hope you guyz understand what I'm trying to say. Not a showstopper for me, and could even be better on the engine

Yes Virginia I can make the exhaust smoke. Its barely noticeable, but if you push the peddle almost to the floor when going 15-25mph (depending on gear as well) you will see a little haze.

**** Final Update 7-18-09 *****

Never made it down to the 3/4 mark. I wanted to fill up after 5 days of driving to work. It was at 535mi with maybe 20-30mi left before 3/4. So after factoring in 3% for the ODO being off, the first tank numbers 551mi on 15.2 gallons of fuel for a tank avg of 36.2mpg

My drive this week was slightly slower than normal. Construction caused some minor backups all week, and traffic was a bit thicker than normal and as a result i did not get to use the cruise control as much as I would have liked. Based on driving experience with my jeep, I probably would have gotten around 31 mpg without the tune

I drove pretty much like I usually do tried to keep it at 65 on FWY and just under 60 in the 2 lane hwy. No AC , Windows down a lot.

Another observation: This pretty much echos what another poster said. Before the tune, when going say 58 and NOT in overdrive, the engine was a lot more noticeable. So much so that I either had to get over 61 to enter "lockup" or back down to under 54. Now with the GDE tune doing 58 and NOT in overdrive the engine sounds a lot smoother almost unnoticeable.

I would highly recommend this tune to anyone considering this sort of upgrade.

I can't compare it to the inmotion, but me the things that sold me on this tune as opposed to the inmotion:

-The Expertise behind the GDE - this is no slam against inmotion, just that the folks behind GDE are intimately familiar with the 2.8L CRD.
-The previous post that stated the EGT and other temps were lower after the GDE tune.
-In my case they were just down the road from where I work so I just had to stop by as opposed to sending in my ECM.

GDE offers a 60 day money back guarantee, but it looks like I'm gonna be keeping this.

This will be my last update unless somebody has some specific questions. I will post some more tank averages in about a month.

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 Post subject: Updated for any interested parties
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:39 am 
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Hit the first milestone - 114.5 with the needle just showing above full. I kinda expected a little more, but that number is the best I have seen since owning the Jeep, and way to early to form any conclusions.

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Ive got an Inmotion and I always seem to get 145 to 155 before she moves off of full.

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I'm pretty sure comparing fuel gauge readings is completely futile... Every vehicle/tank is going to be a little different.

ac5501, glad to hear GDE seems to be improving your mpg!

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stoutdog wrote:
I'm pretty sure comparing fuel gauge readings is completely futile... Every vehicle/tank is going to be a little different.

ac5501, glad to hear GDE seems to be improving your mpg!


Agreed. no one here is interested in gauge marks. What we want to see are hard numbers, not EVIC readings or guestimations, just exact gallons put into the tank vs actual miles traveled.

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nursecosmo wrote:
stoutdog wrote:
I'm pretty sure comparing fuel gauge readings is completely futile... Every vehicle/tank is going to be a little different.

ac5501, glad to hear GDE seems to be improving your mpg!


Agreed. no one here is interested in gauge marks. What we want to see are hard numbers, not EVIC readings or guestimations, just exact gallons put into the tank vs actual miles traveled.


Oh brother. Ok how's this:

740 miles and 19 gallons topped off at the tank!

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CRD Joe wrote:
nursecosmo wrote:
stoutdog wrote:
I'm pretty sure comparing fuel gauge readings is completely futile... Every vehicle/tank is going to be a little different.

ac5501, glad to hear GDE seems to be improving your mpg!


Agreed. no one here is interested in gauge marks. What we want to see are hard numbers, not EVIC readings or guestimations, just exact gallons put into the tank vs actual miles traveled.


Oh brother. Ok how's this:

740 miles and 19 gallons topped off at the tank!
You also said you drive 60mph on the highway! :-P

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CRD Joe wrote:
nursecosmo wrote:
stoutdog wrote:
I'm pretty sure comparing fuel gauge readings is completely futile... Every vehicle/tank is going to be a little different.

ac5501, glad to hear GDE seems to be improving your mpg!


Agreed. no one here is interested in gauge marks. What we want to see are hard numbers, not EVIC readings or guestimations, just exact gallons put into the tank vs actual miles traveled.


Oh brother. Ok how's this:

740 miles and 19 gallons topped off at the tank!
You also said you drive 60mph on the highway! :-P


Yea, impeding the flow of traffic and violating traffic laws (for instance, folding in your mirrors) might get you those kinds of numbers. But most of us aren't willing to do this.

Thank you ac5501, I look forward to hearing your realistic real-world results as I, for one, am seriously considering this tune. Have you noticed any shuddering in the TC? I assume you are pretty much stock?

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K, another day "in the books"

Some Observations


Hit the 3/4 mark at 217miles. I know its not the hard numbers some people are looking for, but I wont have one of those until the end of the week when I re-fuel. In fact, since I don't have an evic, it really takes 3-4 tanks to get a feel for the fuel economy. After this week I will only post my tank averages for the next few weeks, not the long winded observations that I am doing this week.

No shudder noticed No shudders as of yet. This wasn't a shudder, and may not be GDE related, but yesterday at 65mph it felt like the transmission downshifted. It did not downshift, but that's what it felt like. Don't know what it was or what caused it, but it was hard enough to get my attention. So I'll list it here, but it may have nothing to do with the GDE

Cruise Control seems to drift up and down ~2mph on small hills and overpasses. I don't consider it a very big deal, it always did this to a certain extent, but its more pronounced now. So I would have to say that the GDE tune had a hand in this. Again, I hardly consider this an issue. What appears to be happening, is going up a hill, the jeep gives the engine more power than it needs to maintain a constant speed. By the time your on top of the hill, you have accelerated about 2mph. Just the opposite seems to happen going down. The Jeep backs off on the throttle a bit too much, and you end up about 2mph slower before the engine "kicks" back in.

Coolant temperature seems more sensitive to the outside temperature/engine cools down faster The temp gauge always has reacted to the outside temp, but since getting the GDE, it seems it takes less of an outside temp change to affect how hot/cold the jeep runs. Not sure if i expressed this correctly, I hope you guyz understand what I'm trying to say. Not a showstopper for me, and could even be better on the engine

Yes Virginia I can make the exhaust smoke. Its barely noticeable, but if you push the peddle almost to the floor when going 15-25mph (depending on gear as well) you will see a little haze.

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ac5501 wrote:
No shudder noticed No shudders as of yet. This wasn't a shudder, and may not be GDE related, but yesterday at 65mph it felt like the transmission downshifted. It did not downshift, but that's what it felt like. Don't know what it was or what caused it, but it was hard enough to get my attention. So I'll list it here, but it may have nothing to do with the GDE


I believe GDE managed to program some parameter in the ECU which causes the transmission to downshift in the event that the TC might be about to shudder. In other words, when the conditions which would normally cause a TC shudder with another tune occur, a GDE tune will act exactly like you described. I think... :)

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The cruise control variance is intentional too - they've increased some tolerances to allow for better fuel economy under cruise. I've seen this mentioned in another GDE discussion thread.

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Never made it down to the 3/4 mark. I wanted to fill up after 5 days of driving to work. It was at 535mi with maybe 20-30mi left before 3/4. So after factoring in 3% for the ODO being off, the first tank numbers 551mi on 15.2 gallons of fuel for a tank avg of 36.2mpg

My drive this week was slightly slower than normal. Construction caused some minor backups all week, and traffic was a bit thicker than normal and as a result i did not get to use the cruise control as much as I would have liked. Based on driving experience with my jeep, I probably would have gotten around 31 mpg without the tune

I drove pretty much like I usually do tried to keep it at 65 on FWY and just under 60 in the 2 lane hwy. No AC , Windows down a lot.

Another observation: This pretty much echos what another poster said. Before the tune, when going say 58 and NOT in overdrive, the engine was a lot more noticeable. So much so that I either had to get over 61 to enter "lockup" or back down to under 54. Now with the GDE tune doing 58 and NOT in overdrive the engine sounds a lot smoother almost unnoticeable.

I would highly recommend this tune to anyone considering this sort of upgrade.

I can't compare it to the inmotion, but me the things that sold me on this tune as opposed to the inmotion:

-The Expertise behind the GDE - this is no slam against inmotion, just that the folks behind GDE are intimately familiar with the 2.8L CRD.
-The previous post that stated the EGT and other temps were lower after the GDE tune.
-In my case they were just down the road from where I work so I just had to stop by as opposed to sending in my ECM.

GDE offers a 60 day money back guarantee, but it looks like I'm gonna be keeping this.

This will be my last update unless somebody has some specific questions. I will post some more tank averages in about a month.

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Sounds great, congrats! I will be getting GDE in about two weeks, as well as replacing the exhaust brake with a Magnaflow #12226. Two weeks after that, I will be driving 2,000 miles from Florida to Arizona. I look forward to getting 35+ on the hwy!!!

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Never made it down to the 3/4 mark. I wanted to fill up after 5 days of driving to work. It was at 535mi with maybe 20-30mi left before 3/4. So after factoring in 3% for the ODO being off, the first tank numbers 551mi on 15.2 gallons of fuel for a tank avg of 36.2mpg

Another observation: This pretty much echos what another poster said. Before the tune, when going say 58 and NOT in overdrive, the engine was a lot more noticeable. So much so that I either had to get over 61 to enter "lockup" or back down to under 54. Now with the GDE tune doing 58 and NOT in overdrive the engine sounds a lot smoother almost unnoticeable.

This will be my last update unless somebody has some specific questions. I will post some more tank averages in about a month.



That is some great MPG - blows my results away ! :) I'm enjoying this so much myself that the skinny pedal is getting way more use than it should. :twisted:

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I think a few of you should join at www.gassavers.org and open up a "Garage" to accurately track your mileage. It would really help over about ten tanks to get a truely accurate handle on MPG.

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Guys every time that somebody come with some type of a new toy we all rush to get it. I have the InMotion and my CRD ever since I install it, is responsive,strong and ready to go when times come.

If I want smoothness like a care, I will buy a car; My CRD to the touch it goes,- that is what I want-. If you want to tell me about the GDE tell me how it respond to a given notice.


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Im going to ask GDE if I can get their European TC flash. More power as I understand it.

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Guys every time that somebody come with some type of a new toy we all rush to get it. I have the InMotion and my CRD ever since I install it, is responsive,strong and ready to go when times come.

If I want smoothness like a care, I will buy a car; My CRD to the touch it goes,- that is what I want-. If you want to tell me about the GDE tell me how it respond to a given notice.



...but...the GDE returns much higher MPG numbers, addresses the TC issue and they clearly state that they are trying to stay within the limitations of this said engine. Nobody is shooting down InMotion...GDE is just another good item on the menu...yummy!

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