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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:57 pm 
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Miles on oil- 5200

Silicon 17
Sodium 0
Potassium 3
Iron 11
Chrome 4
Lead 3070
Copper 2
Tin 1
Alum 9
Nickel 0
Titanium 1
Boron 337
Phos. 1360
Zinc 1530
Calcium 3040
Barium 2
Mag. 309
Moly 10
Vanadium 0
Antimony 0
Lithium 1
Beryllium 0

Visc @40 80.6
Visc @100 12.25
Fuel 1%
Soot 0.41

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The 1% fuel in the analysis with only 5200 miles would concern me, too. If the 2-stroke oil you use contains lead, coupled with the fuel dilution, that may be your explanation. Unfortunately that explanation would be that you have fuel getting past a piston ring.

What brand of motor oil is that? I've never seen that before.

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The 1% fuel in the analysis with only 5200 miles would concern me, too. If the 2-stroke oil you use contains lead, coupled with the fuel dilution, that may be your explanation. Unfortunately that explanation would be that you have fuel getting past a piston ring.

What brand of motor oil is that? I've never seen that before.





Yea, fuel past the rings is never good, but the 2 ounces of fuel in his oil probably didn't do anything except clean things up. I wonder if that coop oil is synthetic?

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BVCRD wrote:
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The 1% fuel in the analysis with only 5200 miles would concern me, too. If the 2-stroke oil you use contains lead, coupled with the fuel dilution, that may be your explanation. Unfortunately that explanation would be that you have fuel getting past a piston ring.

What brand of motor oil is that? I've never seen that before.





Yea, fuel past the rings is never good, but the 2 ounces of fuel in his oil probably didn't do anything except clean things up. I wonder if that coop oil is synthetic?


Its a full synth made by a local Coop refinery DMO ( diesel motor oil) and has the proper specs for the CRD. I use it in all my equipment, never an issue.

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If fuel is blowing by the rings would it not effect some of the other # on the analysis? I feel that the 1% fuel dilutuion is caused by many cold starts (-30C or more) and short trips. Thoughts?

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If fuel is blowing by the rings would it not effect some of the other # on the analysis? I feel that the 1% fuel dilutuion is caused by many cold starts (-30C or more) and short trips. Thoughts?






Yea, we're only talking 2 oz in all of the oil. Rich conditions may contribute to that especially if the test sample was taken during the cold, winter months when richness is more frequent.

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 Post subject: Re: Post your CRD oil analysis
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Not sure how to read the analysis but aren't those good zink & TBN numbers, especially for 10K on the oil? Since I change @6K should be even better.


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Here is my first oil report on Shell Rotella T6 5w40



MICHAEL: Universal averages show typical wear for the VM 2.8L turbo after about 6,200 miles on the oil.
You ran about that long, and you're getting better-than-average wear from your engine. The low wear is a
good indication that your engine is not developing any serious mechanical problems. The TBN is a measure
of active additive remaining in the oil, and since 1.0 is too low, your reading of 4.7 is still good for more use.
No unusual contamination was found (fuel, water, coolant, dirt), so we think you can run your next oil ~8,000
miles. You should see nice trends.

aluminum 7
chromium 1
iron 27
copper 3
Lead 3
Molymobdum 50
boron 33
silicon 14
calicum 1125
sodium 5
Magnesium 1121
phosphorus 1075
Zink 1186

**I did not include elements that were zereo in the test sample**

sample value should be

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 73.2 66-78
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 13.8 11.9-15.3
Flashpoint in °F 420 >410
Fuel % >0.5% >2.0%
Antifreeze % 0% 0%
Water 0% >0.1%
Insolubles % 0.5% >0.8%
TBN 4.7

I think I should be happy with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Post your CRD oil analysis
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:47 pm 
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These analysis are done By Schaeffer Oil company St. Louis Mo
I run there 5w 40 synthetic Diesel oil

The first test is with Mobil as i was told by the dealer where it was bought

Copper-2
Iron-9
Chromium-0
Aluminum-7
Lead-1
Molybdenum-252
Phosphorus-891
Zinc-1035
Magnesium-666
Calcium-1074
Sodium-6
Potassium-1

Anti freeze-0
Fuel Dilution-0
% H20-0
Silicon-9

Viscosity CST-13.65
Sulfur-16
Oxidation-0
Nitration-6
% Soot-.3
Not sure how many miles on this oil
Dealer could not verify

This Analysis is done with Schaeffer 5w 40 synthetic with 4700 miles on oil changed at there recommendation

Copper-4
Iron-25
Chromium-1
Aluminum-14
Lead-3
Molybdenum-331
Phosphorus-1155
Zinc-1350
Magnesium-824
Calcium-1402
Sodium-9
Potassium-1

Anti freeze-0
Fuel Dilution-0
% H20-0
Silicon-13

Viscosity CST-13.78
Sulfur-12
Oxidation-0
Nitration-10
% Soot-.6
[Notice the MOLY content in this oil compared to others]
With this analysis i will change at 6700 mile per there recommendation

I run this oil in 2003 7.3l Powerstroke and i am at 10,000 mile changes :SOMBRERO: with no bypass system

If you research this oil in the diesel world i think you will find it to be one
of the best out there :BANANA:

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 Post subject: Re: Post your CRD oil analysis
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:32 pm 
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What does it all mean

Oil Analysis
Wear Metal Sources


IRON=Cylinders,gears,rings,crankshafts,liners,bearings,housings,rods,and platings

Chromium=Rings/roller/taper bearings,rods,platings

Lead=bearing overlays,additives in gear oil and gasoline

Copper=bushings,bearings,thrust washers,friction plates,oil coolers,additive in oil

Tin=bearings,bushings,pistons,platings

Aluminum=pistons,bearings,pumps,blowers,rotors,thrust washers.

Nickel=Valves

Silver=Bearings,bushings,plating

Manganese=trace elements in liners and rings,additives in gasoline

Titanium= trace elements

Vanadium=trace elements

Contents and Sources

Silicon=Element used to determine the level of airborne dirt and abrasives in the oil(Sometimes used as anti-foam agent)

Boron=Present in most anti-freeze systems and cooling systems (sometimes used as an additive)

Sodium=Present in most anti-freeze

Potassium=Present in anti-freeze and cooling systems(sometime used as an additive in gear oil)

Additives and there functions

Magnesium= Dispersant/detergent additive
Calcium=Dispersant/detergent
Barium=Dispersant/detergent additive
Molybdenum=Antiwear
Phosphorus=Anti-wear
Zinc=Anti-wear

Fuel Dilution=Unburned fuel in the oil may signal fuel system leaks or incomplete combustion

Fuel Soot= a result in incomplete combustion or blow by.High drain levels may indicate combustion problems or overextended drain intervals.

Viscosity = The kinematic viscosity determined at 40 degrees C and/or 100 degree C is a measure of the flow rate of an oil in relation to time. This data is used to assign an SAE grade to oil

Sae Grade.....Min CST-100 degrees...Max CST

10w.............4.10...........................xx
20w.............5.60.......................9.29
30w.............9.30.......................12.49
40w.............12.50....................16.29
50w.............16.30....................21.89

So to all of you who does not understand the Metals and Numbers this is for you

Enjoy the reading and info :pepper:

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 Post subject: Re: Post your CRD oil analysis
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Just got this back today from Blackstone. Can't figure out how to post the pdf?

Fred: You're interested in wear metals and we're happy to report that things look good on that front. Universal averages show typical wear levels for this type of engine after about 6,300 miles on the oil. You didn't run quite that long, so we'd expect lower wear, but these levels are still low enough to give the engine a thumbs up. The only aspect that concerns us is sodium. It can show coolant, without potassium it's hard to say for sure. Watch your coolant level to be safe and check back in 4,000 miles.

aluminum 3
chromium 1
iron 14
copper 2
lead 3
tin 1
molybdenum 62
boron 42
silicon 10
sodium 127
calcium 842
magnesium 1368
phosphorus 1102
zinc 1353

zero values not entered

SUS viscosity @ 210F 73.9
cSt viscosity @100C 13.98
fuel % <0.5
antifreeze ?

ANTIFREEZE? That's a distressing possibility. Coolant levels have not varied enough to indicate loss. The wear metals and additive package values look very good to me.

PS If everyone contribute to this thread we might get some handle on what's causing problems. This would make a a great sticky.

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I had a suspected antifreeze reading back in March, 2012, see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=66266

As it turns out, I think I had some cross contamination; I pulled the oil with a pump through the dipstick tube, and then halfway through pumped out a bit from the pump into the sample bottle. I had just recently cleaned the pump with some degreaser. Anyway, I had a UOA on the newly replaced oil after about 600 miles, no problems, and another 5600 miles later, still no problems. I will be sending in another sample tomorrow, it has about 10k miles total now.

Just make sure you are very careful in the cleanliness of the sample. If you are pulling it from the oil catch pan, I would try a different method. If you are catching it as it pours out the drain hole, I would make sure the surrounding pan is very clean before you start draining.

I bought the $30 pump from Blackstone and now I always pull the sample with it (I still pull the oil from the dipstick tube when I change it, but I haven't changed it since the contaminated sample).

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I forgot to add, you post a *.pdf the same way you post a picture, you have to host it yourself somewhere and then link to it.

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Thanks 113,
I'm going to run another sample fairly soon. I wondered about some kind of contamination because I've never seen significant coolant loss nor had a low coolant light. Time will tell.

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Mobil 1 TDT 5W40, Mobil 1 Filter, 5000 Miles on the oil. - 95557 on the ODO

Next test will be Amsoil Euro Full SAPS 5W40, Amsoil Filter, and 5000 miles..

The results

MATT: Sodium and potassium are our only potential concern in this sample. They might show a trace of
coolant, though it's too early to say for sure. Gasoline engines oils commonly use sodium as an additive, but
diesel engine oils do not, so the only real alternative explanation is coolant. For now, though, wear metals
are nice and low compared to averages (based on about 6,200 miles on the oil), so if this is a problem, you
caught it early. Check back next oil change (after a similar interval) to monitor. The TBN was fine at 7.8
since a reading of 1.0 is too low. So far, so good.

ALUMINUM 4
CHROMIUM 2
IRON 16
COPPER 1
LEAD 0
TIN 1
MOLYBDENUM 1
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 6
BORON 74
SILICON 9
SODIUM 16
CALCIUM 1305
MAGNESIUM 989
PHOSPHORUS 1117
ZINC 1267
BARIUM 0

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 70.6
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 13.12
Flashpoint in °F 430
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % ?
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.4
TBN 7.8

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RJM wrote:
BVCRD wrote:
linewarbr wrote:
The 1% fuel in the analysis with only 5200 miles would concern me, too. If the 2-stroke oil you use contains lead, coupled with the fuel dilution, that may be your explanation. Unfortunately that explanation would be that you have fuel getting past a piston ring.

What brand of motor oil is that? I've never seen that before.





Yea, fuel past the rings is never good, but the 2 ounces of fuel in his oil probably didn't do anything except clean things up. I wonder if that coop oil is synthetic?


Its a full synth made by a local Coop refinery DMO ( diesel motor oil) and has the proper specs for the CRD. I use it in all my equipment, never an issue.

Where abouts in Canada are you located ? Can I buy this oil in Vancouver area? Thanks.


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Mobil 1 TDT 5W40, Mobil 1 Filter, 5000 Miles on the oil. - 95557 on the ODO

Next test will be Amsoil Euro Full SAPS 5W40, Amsoil Filter, and 5000 miles..

The results

MATT: Sodium and potassium are our only potential concern in this sample. They might show a trace of
coolant, though it's too early to say for sure. Gasoline engines oils commonly use sodium as an additive, but
diesel engine oils do not, so the only real alternative explanation is coolant. For now, though, wear metals
are nice and low compared to averages (based on about 6,200 miles on the oil), so if this is a problem, you
caught it early. Check back next oil change (after a similar interval) to monitor. The TBN was fine at 7.8
since a reading of 1.0 is too low. So far, so good.

ALUMINUM 4
CHROMIUM 2
IRON 16
COPPER 1
LEAD 0
TIN 1
MOLYBDENUM 1
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 6
BORON 74
SILICON 9
SODIUM 16
CALCIUM 1305
MAGNESIUM 989
PHOSPHORUS 1117
ZINC 1267
BARIUM 0

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 70.6
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 13.12
Flashpoint in °F 430
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % ?
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.4
TBN 7.8

Didn't you just have your cylinder head removed and reinstalled? If so, that would account for coolant in the oil from removal of the head. No matter what you do, you won't get it all out right away. My guess is that your next UOA will improve. I would not worry about this one yet... The numbers are not great enough to affect anything.

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MRausch82 wrote:
ChooChooman74 wrote:
Mobil 1 TDT 5W40, Mobil 1 Filter, 5000 Miles on the oil. - 95557 on the ODO

Next test will be Amsoil Euro Full SAPS 5W40, Amsoil Filter, and 5000 miles..

The results

MATT: Sodium and potassium are our only potential concern in this sample. They might show a trace of
coolant, though it's too early to say for sure. Gasoline engines oils commonly use sodium as an additive, but
diesel engine oils do not, so the only real alternative explanation is coolant. For now, though, wear metals
are nice and low compared to averages (based on about 6,200 miles on the oil), so if this is a problem, you
caught it early. Check back next oil change (after a similar interval) to monitor. The TBN was fine at 7.8
since a reading of 1.0 is too low. So far, so good.

ALUMINUM 4
CHROMIUM 2
IRON 16
COPPER 1
LEAD 0
TIN 1
MOLYBDENUM 1
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 6
BORON 74
SILICON 9
SODIUM 16
CALCIUM 1305
MAGNESIUM 989
PHOSPHORUS 1117
ZINC 1267
BARIUM 0

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 70.6
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 13.12
Flashpoint in °F 430
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % ?
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.4
TBN 7.8

Didn't you just have your cylinder head removed and reinstalled? If so, that would account for coolant in the oil from removal of the head. No matter what you do, you won't get it all out right away. My guess is that your next UOA will improve. I would not worry about this one yet... The numbers are not great enough to affect anything.

Sure did. I will see what the Amsoil numbers will be like in a few thousand miles.

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I am curious to see the amsoil numbers. I have a 0w40 M1 sample to send to Blackstone, but have been dealing with health troubles lately, and have not gotten around to mailing it.

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