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 Post subject: Timing Belt--How Can I Get Someone to Do This?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Hello, friends.

I have a Liberty CRD with 92k miles. I want to get the timing belt and related parts replaced proactively (I once had a premature timing belt failure with another vehicle, resulting in ruined valves and a virtually worthless car).

Anyway, I've been shopping around extensively, and read the extremely useful info on this site. I live in the Chicago area, and have called nearly a dozen mechanics. They all want to charge me $700-$800 for the parts alone. None of them will allow me to source the parts because "they can't guarantee them, etc." One guy admitted that he makes money on the parts, and has to charge a mark-up to make a profit on the job. Others won't touch the job because they don't handle diesels, or this particular model, or they claim they can't find the parts.

I see there's a company on the net that has a complete kit: http://www.idparts.com/catalog/product_ ... =1&sort=4a. I called them and they basically said everything is Mopar, except the belt, which is Gates, and the rollers, which are Crown (a Chinese source). This kit is going for $559.

I'm able to do some work on the CRD myself, but this particular job is a definitely over my head. So the only alternative, as I see it, is to find a reputable mechanic who is willing to use the kit provided by me (which is proving difficult), or bend over and pay an exorbitant amount for the parts. Any thoughts on this? Does anyone know somebody in the Chicago area who knows what they are doing and would be willing to use parts that I provide? Is there some other way?

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:14 am 
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Here is what I have pulled together for a TB change from this site for a parts list....
(some choose not to replace all the parts at once)
I have my belts & working on the rest. http://moparonlineparts.com is closed on the weekends.
(prices may change)

Timing Belt Parts List

_____ Item ____ Manufacturer _____ Part # _____ Vendor _____________Price
Tbelt Tensioner _____ OEM __ 5142798AA __ Moparonlineparts.com ___ $86.83
Idler Pulley (x2) _____ OEM __ 5142573AA __ Moparonlineparts.com ___ $86.60
Tbelt Cover Gasket __ OEM __ 5066921AA __ Moparonlineparts.com ___ $13.74
Timing belt _________ OEM __ 5142579AA __ Moparonlineparts.com __ $133.09
Water pump ________ OEM __ 5142985AA __ Moparonlineparts.com __ $153.99
Water pump O-ring #2 OEM __ 5159019AA __ Moparonlineparts.com ____ $3.96
Water pump Gasket __ OEM __ 4864575 ____ Moparonlineparts.com ____ $2.25
Thermostat _________ OEM __ 5142601AA __ Moparonlineparts.com __ $93.49
Thermostat gasket ___ OEM __ 5066806AA __ Moparonlineparts.com ___ $1.76

Timing Belt ________ Gates ____ T336 _______ Amazon.com _______ $71.31
Serpentine Belt _____ Gates ____ K061130 ____ Amazon.com _______ $35.19

Gates serpentine belt Product ID 85528646 Part # K061130
Product Description K061130 MICRO-V BELT UPC 072053009767
The cover gasket is only necessary if you are going to change your water pump.

There is a place now that provides a kit that includes everything.
Link to ID Parts TB list:
http://www.idparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2721

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:29 am 
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Thoughts on that list
1. you don't need the tstat or tstat gasket as part of the TB/water pump job. If your tstat is working fine, temp gauge sits vertical or just a bit left of vertical, just leave the tstat alone. It can be replaced at any time in the future with the loss of only a quart of so of coolant.
2. don't bother with the timing belt cover gasket as it's only doing a poor job of keeping dust out and doesn't usually tear during the job.
3. I think the "O" ring comes with the WP but am not sure. In anycase if you use Sir Sam's WP front 1/2 replacement trick you will save lots of time and not need the WP gasket.

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 Post subject: Timing belt/etc replacement advice
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:00 pm 
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I'm FINALLY back from my overseas deployment, and as mentioned previously in this thread, I got all my parts from ID Parts (whose customer service was excellent, BTW). I also bought the cam pins and crank/cam holding tools, as I expect to keep the vehicle long enough to justify the cost. I hope to start the timing belt/water pump/thermostat/fan coupling/alternator pulley declutch replacement jobs soon. Even though there a useful threads I've read, I thought I'd check one last time to see if anybody has any other useful advice. Any tips/etc will be GREATLY appreciated!

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:08 pm 
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I recently did the TB change which included changing the Thermostat & gasket. Now it heats up quickly and the temp gauge registers at half or about 216F without any additional modifications. The stock t-stats tend to relax over time and are always slightly open thus not allowing the vehicle to heat up properly.

Some change the TB without changing the t-stat. To me this is a good reason to change it! I haven’t seen any discussion related to the relaxed or weak spring in the t-stat. Others seem to be trying all kinds of other solutions to accomplish what just replacing the original t-stat will do. Yes, it’s a little more money but in the long run it should be better performance & a happier wife who doesn’t like riding in a cold vehicle during NY winters. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:19 pm 
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hi guys... ahm i searchin for a jeep that
have a good condition

thanks ^_^

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:58 pm 
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FYI,

factorymoparparts.com is having a 4% off sub total, part of Black Friday special.

I've ordered the idler pulley, tensioner, timing belt cover gasket, water pump with gaskets for $406 with shipping. I already ordered the timing belt at Amazon.com for $75.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:12 pm 
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Location: San Diego (Point Loma)
Item Unit Price Qty. Cost
Mopar Part 5142573AA IDLER PULLEY $30.68 2 $61.36
Mopar Part 5142798AA BELT TENSIONER $92.93 1 $92.93
Mopar Part 5066921AA TIMING COVER GASKET $17.69 1 $17.69
Mopar Part 5142985AA WATER PUMP $218.50 1 $218.50
Mopar Part 04864575 WATER PUMP GASKET $3.00 1 $3.00
Mopar Part 5159019AA WATER PUMP O RING $9.38 1 $9.38
Subtotal: $402.86
Shipping: $19.82*
Tax: $0.00
4% off sub total ($402.86): -$16.11
Total: $406.57

I got the belt from Amazon.com for $75 & free shipping.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:59 am 
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hi guys i ordered these parts from Idparts and they arrived in 2nd day air shipping off to dynamic motors on thursday.
Products Ordered
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1 x Timing Belt Kit (Liberty CRD) = $519.95
Tensioner OEM
Timing Belt Rollers Aftermarket
Water Pump Brand OEM
1 x Thermostat [Mopar] (Liberty CRD) (lib_crd_tsta) = $149.95
1 x Timing Belt Cover Gasket (Liberty CRD) (crd_tb_gaske) = $14.95
1 x Thermostat Gasket Seal (Liberty CRD) (lib_crd_tsta) = $1.60
1 x Lower Radiator Hose (Liberty CRD) (lib_crd_lowe) = $57.95
1 x Upper Radiator Hose (Liberty CRD) (lib_crd_uppe) = $12.95
1 x Timing Belt Tensioner Bolt (Liberty CRD) (crd_tb_tens_) = $2.60
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Sub-Total: $759.95 and 40 for 2 day shipping.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Cory @ Idparts.com was super cool he sent my parts fast and threw in a sticker too, one of the hoses did not fit issue an rma and pre paid shipping label promptly would recommend and deal again. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:09 pm 
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Sounds like a good source
Was it by chance the upper radiator hose?


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:35 pm 
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No the lower one, upper fitted perfectly, now I m worried that of all these hoses got replaced except lower and one day this will be the one to fail.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:24 pm 
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Of course it will, it's a pain to get too.
my upper hose was short by an inch, so I'm still using my original. When i pulled my lower off at 105,000 miles it was still in really good condition.
which reminds me, becareful with the radiator, i managed to put a hole in it pulling out that beast of a fan mechanism.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:17 pm 
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I have just received my timing belt kit from idparts.com. I am not going to be able to do the work myself, though. I got a quote from a local shop that came in at 14.8 hours! Is that right? The parts already cost me $530. Now the labor is going to be another $1000. This is getting really expensive really quickly! It would just about be cheaper to just let the belt slip and blow the engine. Or am I missing something? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:48 pm 
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Stephen_Jones wrote:
I have just received my timing belt kit from idparts.com. I am not going to be able to do the work myself, though. I got a quote from a local shop that came in at 14.8 hours! Is that right? The parts already cost me $530. Now the labor is going to be another $1000. This is getting really expensive really quickly! It would just about be cheaper to just let the belt slip and blow the engine. Or am I missing something? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!



I'd encourage you to see if there are any other LibCRD owners near you. We are all getting to timing belt change age at about the same time. Last summer, 4 of us got together and had a T-belt change party. Many hands makes (uhh, however that phrase goes...) the job go faster.

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:59 pm 
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15 hours seems a little long for a repair shop. All told probably only took me 7-8 hours in my gravel driveway, raining and my first time. Longest part was removing the fan and gouging my radiator. Also reading and re reading various posts and what not on how to do it. If you find the tools you might be able to get some "guy" to do it for you. It's not brain surgury. Good luck. If you were closer I'd help you with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:11 am 
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Stephen_Jones wrote:
I have just received my timing belt kit from idparts.com. I am not going to be able to do the work myself, though. I got a quote from a local shop that came in at 14.8 hours! Is that right? The parts already cost me $530. Now the labor is going to be another $1000. This is getting really expensive really quickly! It would just about be cheaper to just let the belt slip and blow the engine. Or am I missing something? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!



There is a fair amount involved with the job, but I would think an experienced mechanic could do it in 8 hours. Where are you located?

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:26 am 
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After the first couple timing belt jobs, it should take 3-5 hours depending on if you change the water pump or not. I would definitely recommend the WP change. 15 hours means the shop does not know what they are doing or they want to retire after doing your CRD.

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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:14 am 
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I found someone to do the labor on my timing belt replacement. However, he doesn't have the special tools needed. I understand you can get those on loan. Is that correct? If so, where? Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Timing Belt, Water Pump parts list
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LMWatBullRun wrote:
There is a fair amount involved with the job, but I would think an experienced mechanic could do it in 8 hours. Where are you located?



I am in Middle Georgia.


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