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Author:  StanCRD [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:30 am ]
Post subject:  Need Help - should I buy 2005 or 2006 ?
Wannabe CRD owner needs help. I'm looking at both 2005 and 2006 used CRD's. Should I stay away from the 05's even if all seem's well on a test drive ?.
I'm only looking at very low mileage CRD's....

TIA
Author:  Glend [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:48 am ]
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Buy the 06, you will avoid the torque converter de-tune, have no TSBs and recalls to seriously worry about, and your turbo hoses will be in better shape.
Author:  RJM [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:36 am ]
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Buy both and use one for parts.
Author:  Joe Romas [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:00 am ]
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Glend wrote:
Buy the 06, you will avoid the torque converter de-tune


WRONG, WRONG WRONG :cry:

ALL US CRD's were subject to the F37 detune :wink:
As far as recalls go my 06 has had more then all the vehicles I've ever owned or company cars I've driven combines :roll:
Author:  95BadBoy [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:01 am ]
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StanCRD = 05's are fine also, with a few less computer nanny's. 8)
Author:  journeyjim [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:04 am ]
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Both were subject to the TC recall, the ball joints on the bottom, and one other that I can't remember at this point, which ever one you decide to get go for the lowest mileage, and one that has been serviced, if you have had a diesel before you will find it's a great rig. :D
Author:  journeyjim [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:05 am ]
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Both were subject to the TC recall, the ball joints on the bottom, and one other that I can't remember at this point, which ever one you decide to get go for the lowest mileage, and one that has been serviced, if you have had a diesel before you will find it's a great rig. :D
Author:  DynoPax [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:20 am ]
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Just a word of caution: Please make sure you benefit from an extended warranty. Trust me on this one! Though it's a great vehicle to have, it seems to be the object of gremlins' affection :lol:

I have just recuperated my vehicle from the dealer after 1,5 month... You've read it right, 1,5 month! Valve defect on the 4th cylinder + injector malfunction, but it took all this time to pinpoint, after many trials & errors, from hoses to fuel filter head and to engine block.

Since it was all covered by warranty, including the rental, it probably saved me from a very co$$$tly repair bill. The problem is good mechanic knowledge, and Chrysler has a hard time supporting the european package that comes with some of their models (think Jeep Liberty & Grand Cherokee CRD, for example...)

I'll assume you are aware of the pros & cons of owning a CRD, being on this forum. Members are very helpful in pretty much every aspects, they know their stuff when it comes to the Libby, amongst other things...

Don't let this deter you from owning a CRD, it's just best to be well aware of the implications of owning one :wink:
Author:  dirtmover [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:25 pm ]
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I would recommend neither!

Don't get me wrong, it's a great vehicle to own but so is a Porsche! At the end of the day it's not a mainstream vehicle and you pay a huge premium for the privilege of owning one.

When I bought in 2006 I thought I'd found a vehicle that perfectly fitted my requirements but I also expected Chrysler to continue to produce and support this model. Alas parts are hard to find and expensive and many have no second source. Quite frankly the thought of a huge repair bill scares the cr@p out of me.

If I knew then what I know now I would never have bought this vehicle. If I could sell/trade it for a sensible price now I would.
Author:  geordi [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:41 pm ]
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x2.

Given the complete LACK of dealer support or training and the scarcity of parts (Neither are appreciated or condoned by VM, btw) I should have listened to the voice in my head telling me to avoid a Chrysler product. It isn't the motor, it is the package and the company that made it.

The problems are repairable, but you will very likely be either doing it yourself or training the guy who does do it. The people that supposedly 'know' what they are doing with a VM engine... Won't touch ours. They will just send you back to the 'much more knowledgeable dealer service department' where you get the skills of a person who WATCHED a THIRTY MINUTE VIDEO and took a quiz... 4 years ago.

Gives you lots of confidence and a warm fuzzy feeling, doesn't it? Oh, and don't forget: The "lifetime" warranty doesn't exist anymore, but was NEVER offered for anything with a diesel engine. Kinda telling. Either they didn't want to support a vehicle that would actually LAST (saying the rest of their crap won't) OR that they didn't want to support the diesels specifically b/c they knew that they WOULDN'T last.

Either suggestion is a bad sign.

Do I like my Jeep? Yes.
Will I keep my CRD? Yes, b/c I'm still paying on it and know that I can't get credit in this market for anything else.
Would I sell it if I could get another diesel, like a VW Touareg from 2004, even though it might be older and have more miles? YES, without a second thought.
Author:  mikey1273 [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:51 pm ]
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OMG THis is the exact oposite that I got from here when I was looking at buying a CRD In July and August. I love mine and have had no problems since I got it. I have done a few mods to improve it, got new tires and changed the oil once.

This is my first diesel. I am hoping I can fix it myself or find a good tech. I don't know about the local Jeep dealer. so far I have only been to parts a few times for a lugaage rack cover and a rear wiper blade. I'm have no reason to be either impressed or displeased.

I don't regret buying mine. I am worried about things like getting parts. it bothers me that the CRD is not sold here anymore after a 2 year run, but they do sell it on the export market. So The company is supporting the CRD just not as well here in North America. If you don't believe that look at the Brittish jeep site, www.jeep.co.uk the Cheroke (AKA Liberty) is sold only as a CRD.

There are also parts that the CRD shares with the gassers so not every part is hard to buy.

I can get fuel filters at napa and it in stock not a special order item. that is just an example.

I am not going to say buy it. or don't buy it. I love mine. I am more involved with learning about this vehicle than any other I have ever had. think about it if you decide that the problems and the worry you may have about parts is too much don't buy one. If you buy one come here and join us. There are so many owners here sharing what they experince and have learned I am sure you will be guided in the ways of the CRD.
Author:  StanCRD [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:51 pm ]
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Thanks for all the feedback from the community so far. :D
I don't have that much faith in Jeep/Chrysler (speaking as an ex mechanic) and I swear by (flame suit on) Toyota (flame suit off) I still drive one and it's about as bulletproof as you can get, but I drive a lot for my job and need to tow my boat too. I figure the better fuel economy can save me as much as $200 to $400 per month, I can't ignore that.

I understand the CRD has issues but there is really no other choice for a diesel SUV this size besides a new TDI Toureg, but I refuse to cough up almost $60,000 CDN :shock: It's just not worth it.

I'm aware of the hose issues, EGR, balljoints and TC just was not sure if they made serious changes in the 2006 that make it a better choice.

If anyone can list the other common issues that would be great. Keep the feedback coming !
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:35 pm ]
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I understand where some naysayers are coming from...we have had issues with "DC" and thier knowledge of these CRDs. On the other hand, thru this forum and ALL its members, we have solved many of the nagging issues with Fuel Delivery, EGR, Tranny, Hoses and so on. I think with the addition of GDE and thier knowlegde of this particular powerplant...we have as solid a vehicle as you can expect these days. My biggest worry at this time are the Ceramic Glow Plugs...they can become brittle and break off...but the new GDE tune shortens the cycle and power to these. In the future I hope to be able to replace them with some steel tipped ones.

As for 2005 or 2006...I like the ESP, ROM, ABS, BA, TC features that come on the 2006 models.
Author:  mikey1273 [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:46 am ]
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Green Diesel Enginering

I am still on the fence about getting the tune. I can't affort it now with heat bilss and the holidays but I will most likely save up after the holidays are done with so I can get mine in the spring. I keep hearing more and more good it does so why not.
Author:  StanCRD [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:46 am ]
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DarbyWalters wrote:
the new GDE tune shortens the cycle and power to these. In the future I hope to be able to replace them with some steel tipped ones.

As for 2005 or 2006...I like the ESP, ROM, ABS, BA, TC features that come on the 2006 models.


Looks like the GDE tune is a must, I like the idea of 6 more MPG. It will allow me to do my Toronto to Ottawa trip in one fill up instead of the 2.2 I need now.

Cool, so what do all those acronyms stand for ???
Author:  Squeeto [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:49 am ]
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I love this truck.
Really, I can't find any other vehicle that can do what it does. Diesel, fairly good mileage, heavy and safe, can still fit in those small parking spots, pulls my trailer well and I have no problem getting parts. You work out all the little bugs and stay away from the dealer - all is well.

All (well most) vehicles are a bad investment; all require maintenance and fuel. Toyota, Jeep, Porsche, whatever - sit in it, if it makes you happy, buy it.

BTW, I have the 06. I like the ESP introduced in this year.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:06 am ]
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Electronic Stability Program, Roll Over Management, Brake Assist, Anti-Lock Braking System, Traction Control

Makes me feel better when other people might need to drive the Jeep.

When offroad in 4Lo...they trun off except Traction Control and Brake Assist.
Author:  AZ CRD [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:38 am ]
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DarbyWalters wrote:
I understand where some naysayers are coming from...we have had issues with "DC" and thier knowledge of these CRDs. On the other hand, thru this forum and ALL its members, we have solved many of the nagging issues with Fuel Delivery, EGR, Tranny, Hoses and so on.
My sentiments exactly. I found a local diesel mechanic, downloaded the service manual from a link posted here, and supplement his and my knowledge with threads from the tech section.

The only issues I've experienced (knock on wood) are multiple and repeated window regulator failures (not CRD specific) and air in the fuel lines prior to the Cummins lift pump install.

I love this vehicle. I commute in it everyday with decent fuel mileage (B50 even further reduces its use of foreign oil) and I take it on adventures that require a capable 4X4.
Author:  linewarbr [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:15 am ]
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Several have asked this question before, and I think the consensus answer so far has been:

If you are going to do serious off-roading, get an 05 - no ESP to interfere when you have wheel slip going up a grade.

If you are going to do light off-roading and mainly use it on the street, get either an 05 or 06 - whichever you find that has the least miles.

Things to be mindful of: The 2 biggies; EGR issues, (solved by unplugging the MAF sensor, installing an SEGR and/or getting the GDE tune) and oil from the crankcase vent condensing in the boost hoses and intercooler. (solved by either an EHM or Provent installation). Beyond that, the torque converter and air-in-fuel issues are most common, and both have solutions that have been covered here in detail. (Suncoast TC or Euro JK TC, and a new-style fuel head and/ or lift pump)

There are other things that could be considered quirks - a few have had issues with glow plugs, some have had problems with the alternator pulley, and one or two members have grenaded turbochargers and engines with no solid explanation as to the cause - but they represent a fraction of a percent of total CRD ownership. In fact, when you consider total numbers, this board and its sister site jeepkj.com only generate a small percent of total overall CRD ownership in North America, and those having catastrophic failures represent a small percentage of the already small percent on these forums.

So, to make a short recommendation much longer than it ever needed to be, I would say go with #1: a CRD with a solid maintenance history, and #2, a CRD with lower miles. In the "For Owners" section of the Jeep website, you can run the VIN of any potential purchase to find out what, if any, recall work has been done on it.

And if you have any problems with it, 9.9 times out of 10 you can find the answer here.
Author:  RJM [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:48 am ]
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Hey Stan, this is a great Jeep, probably one of the best winter units I have owned. My advice (if you are unfamiliar) with Diesels is to get a person who is around them lots to take a look, listen and smell before you buy. Cat dealerships, JD dealerships, School bus divisions and so on are where you can find such people, pay them $50.00 and consider it money well spent. Also take what you read on this forum with a grain of salt, there is a vast supply of knowledge and long time owners who have common sense and it soon becomes apparent who they are (listen to them.) There is also a good helping of garbage, people who make wild claims, defy physics, have magical powers and flogg products, need I say more. If you can get good bio use it! Our fuel in Canada is very dry esp. in winter, you need to bring the lubricity up. avoid all the snake oil it does nothing. Eh men.
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