nebie Need Help CRD blowing white smoke?

fishkey · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:23 pm

Just pick up an 06 crd 82 K ,driving on the highway ran fine for the first 125 miles then all of sudden Bam loss power billowing White smoke out of the tail pipe losss power. I pulled off the highway.What the hell Just happened? I mean I had a Cloud off smoke for a 1/4 mile. I pulled the dip stick and there was almost no oil The pan. I went and got 5 Quarts of Mobil 10-40w and put that in it. It started just fine not a bunch of smoke untill I reved it Up same thing. What came off????? Any help or susgestions woud be appreciated. :banghead:

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 pm

Loss of power and smoking is what others have said that happened when blowing out a charge air hose. Check the hose from the turbo to intercooler. Not sure why the oil loss check the oil lines to the turbo

fishkey · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:31 pm

Ok great it gives me a starting point.

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:39 pm

Losing oil is BAD - it kills engines
Geordi lost a turbo - oil drained through the line and killed an engine
(didn't take long either)

Make sure you have oil before you start it up

Although a note on checking the oil - it takes about 30+ minutes for the oil in the top end to drain down
if you stop/ check/ add - you'll overfill

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:03 pm

Hopfully you just blew the oil tube at the turbo, happened to mine. You filled it with the wrong oil too so that's not good. I put 0w-40 in mine but I believe 5W-40 is acceptable too.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:40 pm

JL Rockies wrote:

Hopfully you just blew the oil tube at the turbo, happened to mine. You filled it with the wrong oil too so that's not good. I put 0w-40 in mine but I believe 5W-40 is acceptable too.

manual sates 0w40 or 5w40 full synthetic. I use Full synthetic shell rotella T 5w40 myself.
Any oil is still better than no oil. maybe he was at a filling station and there weren't many choices. I would suguest changing the oil and soon as you have the problem/leak fixed, since you just bought it most members would recomend changing the oil soon anyway.

fishkey · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:27 pm

I appreciate the replys... I didn't have a choice in the OIL 5pm on a Sunday in the middle of no-where.. Bought the best and closest I could find at the Truck stop. I didn't think about the trickle down to the pan when filling back with oil. But I will remember that next time!
It would be cool if someone With a a good video Camera and a friend to film a detailed info video,And post it on U-TUBE on Checking ..Replacing Hoses.{Upgrading ] EGR valve.cleaning, etc.. Boy that would be helpfull.
I will probably be a few days Till I can figure it out The CRD is 125 miles away and need tow get my Tow sled working first... 1Glow plug stuck when doing a replacement in my 7.3 powerstroke.
I'll be reading and absorbing all the usefull info I can on this great Forum.
Thanks again, :JEEPIN:

Bill

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:00 pm

I was driving from FL to UT towing a 6K LB trailer when my oil tube on the turbo let go in NE. I made it to SLC buy pouring oil into it faster than it leaked out. The CRD is a tough hombre but I never lost power. In fact, I only knew there was a problem when I saw the oil splatters on the trailer in the mirror. The dipstick was dry when I pulled over.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:16 pm

fishkey wrote:

Just pick up an 06 crd 82 K ,driving on the highway ran fine for the first 125 miles then all of sudden Bam loss power billowing White smoke out of the tail pipe losss power. I pulled off the highway.What the hell Just happened? I mean I had a Cloud off smoke for a 1/4 mile. I pulled the dip stick and there was almost no oil The pan. I went and got 5 Quarts of Mobil 10-40w and put that in it. It started just fine not a bunch of smoke untill I reved it Up same thing. What came off??

My best guess, your turbo blew internally: Loss of power.

It's burning the oil, that's the smoke and sudden oil loss.

linewarbr · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:32 pm

tonycrd wrote:

fishkey wrote:

Just pick up an 06 crd 82 K ,driving on the highway ran fine for the first 125 miles then all of sudden Bam loss power billowing White smoke out of the tail pipe losss power. I pulled off the highway.What the hell Just happened? I mean I had a Cloud off smoke for a 1/4 mile. I pulled the dip stick and there was almost no oil The pan. I went and got 5 Quarts of Mobil 10-40w and put that in it. It started just fine not a bunch of smoke untill I reved it Up same thing. What came off??

My best guess, your turbo blew internally: Loss of power.

It's burning the oil, that's the smoke and sudden oil loss.

X2. Another member, geordi, had this same symtom when his turbo blew. Hopefully it is just the oil line from the block to the turbo, but with your description of the white smoke, it sounds like oil started flowing through the turbo and into the intake. Coupled with the loss of power, that would point to the turbo internals failing.

MrMopar64 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:36 pm

Sounds like the seal on the turbine side blew out and oil is escaping into the exhaust. The white smoke is from the oil passing through the catalyst which is hot enough to cause some burn off.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:37 pm

MrMopar64 wrote:

Sounds like the seal on the turbine side blew out and oil is escaping into the exhaust. The white smoke is from the oil passing through the catalyst which is hot enough to cause some burn off.

Wow is that repairable with out replacing the whole turbo?

fishkey · **Posted:** Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:53 pm

Ok since I just got this thing home. Up on the trailer I had a stream of Black oil Looks like it's off the pass. side of the engine block.
May be someone could guid me to a forum where it shows where exactly the oil lines are running from the turbo to the engine block.
Any Pics- Diagrams would be of great aid. :banghead:

GreenDieselEngineering · **Joined:** Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:10 pm **Posts:** 1111

fishkey,

You will need to remove a few parts to gain access to the turbo oil feed line as it is routed underneath the turbo heat shield. This line mates to the turbo with a bango fitting on the topside of the turbo center housing, it originates toward the rear of block below the exhaust manifold. The return line exits the bottom of the turbo housing and is routed next to the passenger side engine mount. It enters the block through a rubber grommet on the side. Hopefully the return line failed and you were still able to maintain a good supply of oil to the turbo when it was leaking (this may save the turbo). Here are a couple of pictures that show the exhaust side of the engine and the oil feed/drain lines. If you can get underneath the vehicle an look up where the exhaust goes toward the turbo you should be able to see both lines. Let us know if we can be of more assistance. GDE

fishkey · **Posted:** Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:22 pm

Ok removed both top and bottom heat shields I really could not see any fault with either lines. Upon further inspection From the bottom of the turbo it apears where the two housings joint there is some weeping of oil. Also right before the muffler where a exhaust pipe joints up oil is coming out there ,abunch, puddle.
I removed the big rubber hose that comes into the turbo from the front of the radiator It apperas that oil is being sucked thru this hose,into the turbo. Is that normal? What could be causing this? I suck my finger in the opening and the turbo spins freely. Any other insight would be appreciated.
Thank you Green Engineering For the diagrams.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:56 pm

fishkey wrote:

I removed the big rubber hose that comes into the turbo from the front of the radiator It apperas that oil is being sucked thru this hose,into the turbo. Is that normal? What could be causing this? I suck my finger in the opening and the turbo spins freely. Any other insight would be appreciated.
Thank you Green Engineering For the diagrams.

If your talking about the big hose on the passanger side that's the output from the turbo going into the intercooler. So the oil is coming out of the turbo. But note some oil is normal because the oil breather on top of the engine does not do a good job and lets oil into the inlet to the turbo by way of the hose from the air cleaner to the turbo input.

GreenDieselEngineering · **Joined:** Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:10 pm **Posts:** 1111

Next step is to remove the band clamp holding the exhaust pipe to the turbo and have a look in the turbine. It is sounding like you may have lost the turbine oil seal...not good and a new turbo would be on your short list. Check if the turbine and housing is coated in oil. How much fore/aft and side-to-side ply does the turbine have?

fishkey · **Posted:** Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:39 am

When I remove the exhaust clamp and do the inspection, do I need to take the turbo off the vehicle? When I had the bigger air hose off I was able to spin the turbo It moved freely.
Can I replace the Seal myself?

cumminsmannow · **Posted:** Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:24 am

no the turbo is basically not serviceable. it is really only replaced as a whole.... it can be rebuilt but it is not adviseable to do it yourself unless you really know what you are doing... this thing spins at roughly 30,000 rpm.. not something you want to mess up ya know.

geordi · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:46 am

Hey, so I'm just getting to this party, and I'm sorry to be the one bringing the music everybody will hate.

It does sound like you lost the turbo, but hopefully your experience will be closer to JLRockies, rather than mine. You don't want my experience, trust me.

Pulling the turbo really isn't that hard, since you have already dug out the heat shield. Btw... Lower heat shield? That must be a 2006 thing, I don't think I had more than the top one.
Anyway, there are only 4 more bolts to hassle with that hold the turbo to the manifold, the exhaust clamp, and then the two oil line bolts. Do the oil lines first.

You won't be hurting the seal to the manifold by pulling the turbo, but it is easier to just pull the thing than to try and inspect anything with the turbo installed. There is nothing interesting that you will find in the exhaust line right now, besides all the oil you don't have in the engine any more. That is the big question: How much pressure did you lose, and how long were you without pressure... If at all. Hope that it was not at all, and you stopped before the #1 cylinder starved for oil.

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