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| Author: | flman [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | JEEP! Made in the USA |
I am glad my Jeep is made in the USA. It has faults just like those "perfect Japanese auto's" that some people like to praise, all the while bashing the quality of our Jeeps. Number 1 car maker in the world, is in the news again.  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_ ... ota_recall |
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| Author: | Joe Romas [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Yeah but do you hear about a Toyota doing anything like a front differential exploding on KJ's while doing what jeeps are made to do  Their bean counters have learned just how cheap things can be made and still preform. Chrysler's bean counters keep forgetting  Has the driver's bottom seat cushion started to fall apart on the outside edge of your CRD yet  Lastly the affected plants ARE in the US and the cars are US MADE  There's more US parts in a Honda then in most of the "detroit three"  I don't like Jap cars eather but I wish my jeep was a better made product 
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| Author: | Rich [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
flman wrote: I am glad my Jeep is made in the USA. Check your sources, the Toyotas listed in the recall are all "Made in the USA".
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Rich wrote: flman wrote: I am glad my Jeep is made in the USA. Check your sources, the Toyotas listed in the recall are all "Made in the USA". Assembled in the US,made in Japan. As far as the D30A you should see how many toyota alloy IFS diffs explode,far more then the KJ's by a long shot and why a SFA swap is almost always priority #1 for toy's being offroaded. |
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| Author: | JL Rockies [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Toyota is better in my book because it represents free trade and Chrysler represents tax piracy and back-room deals. We all have our own priorities though. I did work for Toyota for quite a while so I am a bit biased on product quality. |
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
JL Rockies wrote: T I did work for Toyota for quite a while so I am a bit biased on product quality. I'd have to disagree on that,toy has very bad quality now. |
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| Author: | flman [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Rich wrote: flman wrote: I am glad my Jeep is made in the USA. Check your sources, the Toyotas listed in the recall are all "Made in the USA". Still the perfect Japanese car, no matter where it is stamped out, it is built to Toyota's standard. Crap!! 
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| Author: | warp2diesel [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
My,"Emits Prius Repellent" Sign in my back window is still working. Just in case you can't figure out what I think about Toyota. It amazes me how stupid some of the Toyota drives are when they can't figure out to turn off the Key or put the shifter in neutral when it runs away. One of the Clowns injured was a Cop in California 
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| Author: | JL Rockies [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
tjkj2002 wrote: JL Rockies wrote: T I did work for Toyota for quite a while so I am a bit biased on product quality. I'd have to disagree on that,toy has very bad quality now. I worked for them in the 90's when everything was still made over there. Toyota didn't get any of my tax dollars though; there a principle here. I am a business manager for the largest GM dealership family in SLC and I wont buy a GM car either (because they are part of the Fed). We do have KIA and Nissan stores too since I am still boycotting France, I won't buy a Nissan but I will buy a KIA (made in the USA) since the Koreans didn't do anything to piss me off (yet). I would buy another Jeep used off our lot (we get a lot of them) since it will support my company and not the union-owned company. My Jeep was the first non Toyota I've owned in my life and I don't have a problem with the quality of any car I've owned. |
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| Author: | CATCRD [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Devil's advocate statement: Maybe Toyota has had a lot of recalls lately because they actually care about the quality of their final product. Maybe others know about problems and sweep them under the rug. Ever seen/read Fight Club? Apply the formula... |
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| Author: | Rich [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
flman wrote: Still the perfect Japanese car, no matter where it is stamped out, it is built to Toyota's standard. Crap!! Now that statement is just utter ignorance. Your rhetoric is nothing further than the same garbage spewed from the likes of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or any other self glorified talking heads in the wacko right end of the political spectrum (not saying the wacko left is all that much better, but in this case your views mirror that of the right). Please do me this one thing, enlighten me to any American branded, or built, light use/personally owned vehicle that is as reliable and prolific as the Toyota Hilux. 
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Rich wrote: Please do me this one thing, enlighten me to any American branded, or built, light use/personally owned vehicle that is as reliable and prolific as the Toyota Hilux. |
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| Author: | kskj [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
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| Author: | jksuperstar [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
I hope this (new to me) Jeep CRD lasts as long as my 1988 4runner did. That 4runner had over 283,000 miles on it, and still kicking just fine. I just needed something more family friendly. |
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| Author: | Lancer [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
In all fairness lads, I think a lot of vehicle quality all round has gone down to the bean counters. For example, once upon a time, to say that something was built like a Mercedes, was to say that it was almost engineered to last out your lifetime, and quite possibly that of your children and grandchildren!  In the last few years,certainly over here, to say that a vehicle (with the exception of a G-Wagen) is built like a Merc is to imply that you were lucky to get it home without a problem! It got so bad that Mercedes had to announce a couple of years ago, that it was addressing quality control! And they are not cheap!!I think the problem is, that manufacturers now make MUCH more use of market analyses; so for example - in the case of our KJs, how many are actually likely to be used offroad by the likely "target demographic"? (God I hate these phrases). The answer is probably, not very many! Let's say less than 5% of the vehicles bought. That being the case, it makes financial sense to engineer only for the 95% and build to that price! Hence the alloy D30a is MORE than strong enough for the vast majority of likely users, who will never be at risk of taking it anywhere near it's limits, let alone up to its limits! The IFS has more than enough movement etc. Even for Toyota, VERY few of their Landcruisers will be used across the Kalahari or wherever, most will be used on the school run or general trundling around. For hardcore use in rough areas, there is the Series 70 model Landcruisers, the Merc GWagen, the LR Defender, the Nissan Patrol, the Wrangler. All as solid as hell (although none may be perfect straight from the factory for what YOU want to do) but all made in relatively small numbers. Over here, the Wrangler sells in very small numbers, but because most aren't really used offroad ("lifestyle vehicle"), they come with silly small tyres and wheels - which a lot of users swap out after purchase! Stuff is now all engineered/designed for the minimum necessary as established by market analysis,(with a bit for a safety margin) rather than being engineered for anything. Rant over, I will now take my soapbox (built in the old days when they REALLY knew how to make soapboxes) home
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| Author: | flman [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Rich wrote: flman wrote: Still the perfect Japanese car, no matter where it is stamped out, it is built to Toyota's standard. Crap!! Now that statement is just utter ignorance. Your rhetoric is nothing further than the same garbage spewed from the likes of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or any other self glorified talking heads in the wacko right end of the political spectrum (not saying the wacko left is all that much better, but in this case your views mirror that of the right). Please do me this one thing, enlighten me to any American branded, or built, light use/personally owned vehicle that is as reliable and prolific as the Toyota Hilux. Woah! getting political here, I see your true colors on that aspect, just by your choice of primary and secondary bashing. Any ways, I don't know what I Hilux is, and don't care, because I am not going to buy one and complain about it, after I make the choice to own it. Japanese vehicles have no appeal to me. German, now that is a whole other thing, they are sexy, high in quality, and number 1 in diesels . They set the standard for other import car builders to copy. |
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| Author: | Glend [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
China has just started selling their family sized SUV here is Australia (Great Wall Motors - of course). The price is great but they are way down on safety rating (as you'd probably expect). http://www.greatwallmotors.com.au/ Those are Australian dollar prices, and even with our tariffs they are undercutting everything else. Built to a price certainly. Build quality in any vehicle is just not what it used to be, and rightfully so as people (over the last thrity years) came to see cars as disposable, thus the makers just were reacting to the the market by not engineering them to last. That doesn't mean you can't make a KJ last, you just need to be obsessive about maintenance and get on top of the poor engineering choices made by Chrysler (like those dam hoses). |
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| Author: | flman [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Glend wrote: China has just started selling their family sized SUV here is Australia (Great Wall Motors - of course). The price is great but they are way down on safety rating (as you'd probably expect). http://www.greatwallmotors.com.au/ Those are Australian dollar prices, and even with our tariffs they are undercutting everything else. Built to a price certainly. Build quality in any vehicle is just not what it used to be, and rightfully so as people (over the last thrity years) came to see cars as disposable, thus the makers just were reacting to the the market by not engineering them to last. That doesn't mean you can't make a KJ last, you just need to be obsessive about maintenance and get on top of the poor engineering choices made by Chrysler (like those dam hoses). I can agree with you on the longevity thing, and that go for all brands, all over the world. But if we take care of our vehicles and upgrade the crappy parts, we should be able to get the longevity out of them. I must say, most American and European cars do not rust out like they used to. "ToyRusta", you can hear them rusting, LOL! |
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| Author: | JL Rockies [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
Rich wrote: flman wrote: Still the perfect Japanese car, no matter where it is stamped out, it is built to Toyota's standard. Crap!! Now that statement is just utter ignorance. Your rhetoric is nothing further than the same garbage spewed from the likes of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or any other self glorified talking heads in the wacko right end of the political spectrum (not saying the wacko left is all that much better, but in this case your views mirror that of the right). Please do me this one thing, enlighten me to any American branded, or built, light use/personally owned vehicle that is as reliable and prolific as the Toyota Hilux. I'll take "retarded things posted on LOST" for $500 Alex. |
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| Author: | Rich [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JEEP! Made in the USA |
flman wrote: Woah! getting political here, I see your true colors on that aspect, just by your choice of primary and secondary bashing. If you see that I lie somewhere in the middle of both wacko ends, you are correct. I was not bashing you directly, but rather your decision to judge an entire line of products badged from a given nation. Your judgment is based on one manufacturer recalling a limited limited number of products, which are built right here on our soil with our UAW workers at the controls. The same exact models built in Toyota's other plants world wide, Japan and elsewhere, are not subject to this recall. This leads me to believe it is either a fault in the individuals building the cars, in this case American workers, or a fault in the mentality of sue-happy consumers who are increasingly unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions, in this case the American consumer. Quote: Any ways, I don't know what I Hilux is, and don't care, because I am not going to buy one and complain about it, after I make the choice to own it. Japanese vehicles have no appeal to me. German, now that is a whole other thing, they are sexy, high in quality, and number 1 in diesels . They set the standard for other import car builders to copy. You automatically assume that if it is Japanese you are going to hate it, and through your flawed logic, you are correct. I, nor anyone, will ever be able to alter your perception. Your ignorance is so ingrained, your view of the world would be shattered upon allowing the truth in. Good luck to you sir. As for the Ranger being more reliable and prolific than the Hilux... maybe in the US, where the Hilux is sold as a NUMMI manufactureed "Pickup" and later "Tacoma." As for the Ranger outside the US... all I can say is this; In all my adventures throughout the world, I have never been shot at by a 12.75mm mounted, or received mortar fire from a team, in the bed of a Ford Ranger. You can't honestly dispute the fact that the Hilux is the AK47 of the automotive world. |
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