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Author: | warp2diesel [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Unedited, what more can I say? "The K-series engine is prone to head gasket failure whatever car it is installed in. The problem is worst in big, heavy cars like the Freelander, but it happens in Elises and Sevens as well. Light, compact and powerful as it might be, the design of this engine is deeply flawed in several key areas. The design of the seal between the top of the liners and the head/gasket places too much strain on the gasket and causes premature failure. Not helped by the metal of the liners expanding at a different rate to the surrounding block and head. The second problem is that the standard of casting on these engines is crude, and varies dramatically. If you get a bad one it seems to pop gaskets until you give up and chuck it in a skip. Others are better. It's pot luck what you get. The third problem is that the thermostat is placed on the return from the radiator rather than the outlet. A ludicrous design which relies on heat soak from the head side of the 'stat to "overcome" the cold water in the radiator before the thermostat opens. This holds the thermostat closed for too long, causing head temperatures to rise excessively. When the thermostat does eventually open, this (too) hot cylinder head is suddenly subjected to thermal shock from the cold radiator water hitting it. It's a comically bad design. The thermostats have also been observed to "bounce" several times before they open. As soon as the cold water rushes through, it closes the 'stat again, causing head temperatures to rise again. Repeat two or three times for each engine warm up cycle. The only surprise of K- series head gaskets is that they last as long as they do." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Joe Romas [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
I'm not sure what the "K" series engine is but if it's a VM product I can add that Jeep also used a VM diesel starting in the 92 XJ. I belong to a VM group and they there are plenty of head gasket problems to o around ![]() |
Author: | calcrd [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Drove a Freelander in Europe. K series engines are gas not diesel. Freelanders used a KV6 gas engine and a Merdedes supplied Diesel engine. |
Author: | UFO [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Speaking of crappy engine designs, let's not forget the diesel in the 300SDL, their "experiment" with aluminum heads. One hot day where the temperature exceeds the thermostat setting, you get head cracks. |
Author: | Wobbly [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
UFO wrote: Speaking of crappy engine designs, let's not forget the diesel in the 300SDL, their "experiment" with aluminum heads. One hot day where the temperature exceeds the thermostat setting, you get head cracks. My '86 had 250K miles on it with the original head when I sold it. There was a silent recall to replace the trap oxidizer, which could take out the turbo and cause major damage. The stroked version of this engine used in the 350 SD/SDL had huge problems with egg shaped cylinders, bent rods, and heavy oil consumption. |
Author: | dgeist [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_K_engine The Rover diesels are either MB or Ford "puma" sourced and both are supposedly quite good.... There's a reason you usually only hear about reliability issues with gasoline land rover products and the electronics systems that support them. Rover apparently doesn't know how to make gasoline EFI products, well not until Ford dropped their system into it a few years back. The diesels (with the possible exception of the TD5, which is apparently quirky) are rock solid when maintained properly. Dan |
Author: | ATXKJ [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
before K - Rover used a Buick 215 ci Aluminum v8 for ~30+ years that was the one that GM canceled after the 61 Buick Special............. |
Author: | Diggerfreek [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
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Author: | Sir Sam [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Wobbly wrote: UFO wrote: Speaking of crappy engine designs, let's not forget the diesel in the 300SDL, their "experiment" with aluminum heads. One hot day where the temperature exceeds the thermostat setting, you get head cracks. My '86 had 250K miles on it with the original head when I sold it. There was a silent recall to replace the trap oxidizer, which could take out the turbo and cause major damage. The stroked version of this engine used in the 350 SD/SDL had huge problems with egg shaped cylinders, bent rods, and heavy oil consumption. My 87 300SDL had 240k. Ran just fine. Miss it. |
Author: | UFO [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Sir Sam wrote: My 87 300SDL had 240k. Ran just fine. Miss it. All the issues associated with the aluminum head rose arose on thermostat failures or slightly overheated conditions, or so I read on the Mercedes Shop forum. Maybe the reason that engine is poorly regarded is because the OM617 is so bulletproof. You can run that thing over 250F and never even know the difference.
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Author: | Crankworm [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
ATXKJ wrote: before K - Rover used a Buick 215 ci Aluminum v8 for ~30+ years that was the one that GM canceled after the 61 Buick Special............. I'm most likely wrong but didn't Buick use the same engine in a V6 version up though the 80's?(Grand National) |
Author: | ATXKJ [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Crankworm wrote: ATXKJ wrote: before K - Rover used a Buick 215 ci Aluminum v8 for ~30+ years that was the one that GM canceled after the 61 Buick Special............. I'm most likely wrong but didn't Buick use the same engine in a V6 version up though the 80's?(Grand National) because the GN 3.8L was an Iron V6 I though it was different - but Wiki says you're right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine it's also the V6 they sold to Jeep - so as an Iron 3.8L V6 the design worked great - as an Aluminum 3.5L V8 it didn't.... |
Author: | flman [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Thouught we had problems look at the Landrover K engine |
Domestic, Import they all got problems, I think a bunch of loyalists to a big name auto maker that starts with a T just got a good slap in the face. I will say no more. |
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