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Author:  bu2p [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Emissions Warranty Denial
Code reader showing egr and pressure boost sensor codes on CRD Liberty with 52K miles. Dealer confirmed and would replace both for $800. I figured the emissions warranty would cover the repairs. Chrysler says neither is an emissions item and therefore they are not covered under the emissions warranty. Since when is an egr not an emissions item? Anybody else getting this response from dealer/Chrysler?

bu2p
Author:  tjkj2002 [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Emissions Warranty Denial
The only parts covered under the federal emissions warranty is the Cat(s) and if you bought and live in Cali it also covers the PCM.Nothing else is covered outside your bumper to bumper warranty.
Author:  DOC4444 [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:26 pm ]
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BU2P,

Perfect time to get a GDE tune and replace the boost pressure sensor yourself. It will be less than $800 and you won't have to worry about the EGR in the future.

DOC
Author:  stoutdog [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Emissions Warranty Denial
DOC4444 wrote:
BU2P,

Perfect time to get a GDE tune and replace the boost pressure sensor yourself. It will be less than $800 and you won't have to worry about the EGR in the future.

DOC

x2 And if you still get a CEL for the EGR fault, you can probably purchase a SEGR and still pay less than $800 total :2cents:
Author:  linewarbr [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:01 pm ]
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x3 - and you get a better-driving Jeep to boot. You probably can try just cleaning the MAP sensor, here is a link for it: viewtopic.php?f=98&t=22630
Author:  JL Rockies [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:39 pm ]
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The valve cost $150 and you can replace it yourself. If I can do it, you can too.
Author:  geordi [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:31 pm ]
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F4 that noise, pull it off and weld it shut or put a blocking plate across the pipe. :SOMBRERO: Use the SEGR to eliminate the idiot light, and enjoy a soot-free engine.

Do you like eating your own exhaust? Neither does your engine. The GDE is a bonus, it will give you performance and economy that Mopar SHOULD have provided... But didn't. :banghead:
Author:  Turbo Tim [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:43 pm ]
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I always love the part where the dealer says that the EGR is NOT an emissions part.
Then just a simple reply should do: Great! If it is not an emissions part just take it off!
Should be no problem. I can live with that.

See how they answer that one.
Author:  DocB [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:57 pm ]
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I'd also be interested in how they answer that.

Let us know.
Author:  Joe Romas [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:11 am ]
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I believe the EPA determins what parts are covered under the emmissions warranty. I'm also sure when they made the rules the automobile industry was there to "help" them. Originally when catalyic converters were required they were very expensiv. That's why they and the ECM were put under the warranty.

As stated earlier CARB has different ideas on what's included :juggle:
Author:  bu2p [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Emissions Warranty Denial
I did ask the MoPar mechanic that question and then I said - If it's not an emissions item, than let's block it off! Of course he said he couldn't do that and that it cannot be done and then expected to run properly. He also said, that the true purpose of the egr on this engine was to assist in proper heating/cooling of the engine. How about that one!

I did clean the MAP sensor and it looked exactly like the photos that others have submitted - totally carboned-up.
CAUTION! Don't push too hard on the fuel return line running by the MAP sensor - you might snap-off the plastic nipple on the return fuel block (ask me how I know). MoPar wants $76.50 for this simple plastic block. I am performing a 'MacGyver' fix with a threaded/barbed hose fitting, instead.

I am going to install the block-off on the egr just as soon as I'm sure where exactly it goes. I've found the verbage explaining where it goes, but for a novice engine-head, some photos would be very helpful here.
Author:  bu2p [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:40 pm ]
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Just want to send out a big thanks to everyone who contributes on LostJeeps.I cleaned my MAP sensor per several posts. I followed tips regarding 'limp mode' occurrences (happening quite often for me) and found that the problem was air in the fuel line. Bled line and solved problem. I just installed the EGR block, using some exhaust gasket material (NAPA p/n 2499) and noticed a huge improvement in performance. Will monitor MAP sensor and eventually install a SEGR, when I have the funds. For now I'll just live with the CEL and check codes regularly. Thanks again to a loyal and helpful bunch of KJ fans. Never thought that I was getting into such a quirky vehicle, but I do LOVE THAT TORQUE!
Author:  GoodCRD [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Emissions Warranty Denial
Before letting the dealer replace your egr valve drive it at max highway speeds to heat it up and blow it out clean. Look in the Jeep's manual with the 3.0 V6 CRD engines. There is a procedure to clear the egr value. This is a common problem with diesel egr engines. I have 100K on my liberty CRD. The dealer changed the egr valve at 28K. I have had the low egr flow code a couple of times since. Every time it goes away after I take an hour or longer highway speed drive. It helps that the turnpike here is 75 MPH. Also use some brake cleaner and gently clean your boost sensor. The dealer will just rape you by replacing everything without telling you what the causes are. I have no modifications on my 05 liberty CRD. It doesn't shudder and never blew the CAC hoses. It really runs good. I will change the time belt myself soon, plus I will be buying the rebuild kit for the turbo. It cost about $150 to rebuild this turbo if it is not damaged. If you can't do it yourself you can get it done for around $400. But you will have to send it out to get it done. I will do all the work myself due to me not trusting any dealer touching my vehicles. Good luck. The EGR valve runs around $250. It take about 2 hours to do it yourself but be carefull not to strip the four small screws attaching the intake tube into the intake manifold flange. That is what I had to repair after the dealer butchered mine when they replaced the egr at 28K.
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