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 Post subject: Tow Piglet is nice and Toasty Now!
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:44 pm 
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So for the last few months my temp gauge won't go above the 3/8s mark. So a few weeks back I order a new thermostat, and was kind of shocked at the price. That's the first $100 thermostat I bought. Today, after doing my brakes I replaced the thermostat. It looks worse than what it really is. The hardest thing for me as actually getting the gasket material off the head/block. In all I think it took me about 1.5hrs to do it. And I did keep all the 'OEM' hose clamps on there. They didn't seem to be too bad.

So, the moral of the story is if your temp gauge is low, replace your thermostat!!

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Piglet is nice and Toasty Now!
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:37 pm 
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$100 bucks for a stat :shock:

Maybe I don't want a CRD KK.... :x

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Piglet is nice and Toasty Now!
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:45 pm 
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Ryan, could you post a couple of pics of the old tstat? Over at the GDE forum, there is a thread on using an inline tstat that you cut into the upper radiator hose.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:55 pm 
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THANKS for the info!

Mine's operated at 3/8 since I've owned it (just under a year). I didn't want to spend $100+ just to see if it was supposed to be up at 1/2 or not, but now I am convinced! I want to say they quoted me more than that even.

I think it is affecting my economy and I have experimented with the radiator block off, and have seen somewhere around 2mpg better, but was afraid of leaving it blocked for fear of inhibiting the intercooler so it went back to stock. I was going to wait till 100K when i did my timing belt, etc and do it all at the same time. I am at 91K now, and may just do the thermostat now that you've enlightened me. :BANANA:

I'm also interested in your thermostat pics, and what are the chances one could find a same temp thermostat for another vehicle that would fit?

Again THANKS a ton for sharing your info!

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kapalczynski - I was of the same thinking, but finally got off my butt and fixed and a viola! Temp gauge just under 1/2 now!

I'll dig it out of the trash and take a couple of pictures of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Piglet is nice and Toasty Now!
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kapalczynski - I was of the same thinking, but finally got off my butt and fixed and a viola! Temp gauge just under 1/2 now!

I'll dig it out of the trash and take a couple of pictures of it.


I'll buy it from you for $10, not kidding. I am curious to find a similar one for cheaper if it is available as I used to work in the parts business and thermostats are all really similar usually. It would give me something to compare to w/o disassembling my jeep.

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RTStabler51 wrote:
kapalczynski - I was of the same thinking, but finally got off my butt and fixed and a viola! Temp gauge just under 1/2 now!

I'll dig it out of the trash and take a couple of pictures of it.


I'll buy it from you for $10, not kidding. I am curious to find a similar one for cheaper if it is available as I used to work in the parts business and thermostats are all really similar usually. It would give me something to compare to w/o disassembling my jeep.

PM me your address.

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RTStabler51,

Post some close ups of the unit before you send it off.

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Ok, so here are some quick pictures. Not the best quality, but think you can get the drift. Attempting to get some internal shots didn't turn out too well.

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Left Side View - These two hoses go to the Viscous Heater
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Back View (Terrible Pic) This is where the Temperature Sending Unit Goes (I think that's the sensor)
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Attempting to look into the Radiator Hose Outlet
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Looking Into Where It Mounts to the Block
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 Post subject: So...what exactly made you do this?
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I get the unexplained drop in fuel economy, but did anything else suggest that the t-stat was not operating as it should? I don't think my temp guage has EVER shown above 50% and after the GDE tune, it shows a little lower. Did you pull any readings off the coolant temp of the ODBII or the like? I'm always up for a performance/economy increase, but I don't know if I even have anything wrong :)

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dgeist wrote:
I get the unexplained drop in fuel economy, but did anything else suggest that the t-stat was not operating as it should? I don't think my temp guage has EVER shown above 50% and after the GDE tune, it shows a little lower. Did you pull any readings off the coolant temp of the ODBII or the like? I'm always up for a performance/economy increase, but I don't know if I even have anything wrong :)

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My gauge was always just under 3/8th mark and reading the GDE post regarding where the needle should be I determined by tstat to be bad because when I first got the GDE tune (~June '09) it was just under the 1/2 way mark. After replacing the tstat its back to just under the 1/2 mark. Additionally it was taking it forever to get warmed up.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Piglet is nice and Toasty Now!
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Do you have a part number? Is it a kit with the new housing and gasket?

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RTStabler51 wrote:
My gauge was always just under 3/8th mark and reading the GDE post regarding where the needle should be I determined by tstat to be bad because when I first got the GDE tune (~June '09) it was just under the 1/2 way mark. After replacing the tstat its back to just under the 1/2 mark. Additionally it was taking it forever to get warmed up.


Okay, so currently, with GDE and the new thermostat, fully warmed-up, it's just under the 1/2 mark... Hmmm, I may have the same problem :)

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Do you have a part number? Is it a kit with the new housing and gasket?

Danoid - the p/n on the box for the thermostat appears to be 05142601AA
I don't have the gasket p/n handy, but it comes seperately. I got the numbers from one of the threads here and ordered from Westbury Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge out of Westbury, NY. Its one of the recommend sites I found here, just can't remember the specific website.


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RTStabler51 wrote:
My gauge was always just under 3/8th mark and reading the GDE post regarding where the needle should be I determined by tstat to be bad because when I first got the GDE tune (~June '09) it was just under the 1/2 way mark. After replacing the tstat its back to just under the 1/2 mark. Additionally it was taking it forever to get warmed up.


Okay, so currently, with GDE and the new thermostat, fully warmed-up, it's just under the 1/2 mark... Hmmm, I may have the same problem :)
Yeah, mine is just a hair under the 1/2 mark warmed up.
**Pic borrowed from GDE**
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So my needle is right between the 176 and 216 marks.

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Thanks RTStabler51 and GDE for the pic and info. Heres my rendering of GDE's pic where my needle sits most of the time when warmed up and going down the hwy at ~60 mph:

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Ok, so here are some quick pictures. Not the best quality, but think you can get the drift. Attempting to get some internal shots didn't turn out too well.


I see now...the engine designer decided to make a unnecessarily expensive part when they could have used a 10.00 part instead. Guess I'll have to suck it up and buy one because theres no way any other thermostat could be used in this setup.:(

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I would just like to add that i had the exact same problem/resolution

mpg's were down, and it had a tendency to go to the H mark, started at the end of last summer.
This winter it had a tenancy to stay at just over a quarter, and i lost mpg.

I replaced the tstat and the fan clutch, problems solved. (fan clutch first, then the t stat for the sub 1/2 coolant temp)

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kapalczynski wrote:
Thanks RTStabler51 and GDE for the pic and info. Heres my rendering of GDE's pic where my needle sits most of the time when warmed up and going down the hwy at ~60 mph:

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That's exactly where mine sat...

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I see it is a BEHR made thermostat. What is the part number on the casting under the BEHR cast lable? Maybe this part can be had from another source other than Mopar.

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RTStabler51 wrote:
the p/n on the box for the thermostat appears to be 05142601AA

Copy that...
0514260AA THERMOSTAT
05066806AA GASKET
68036599AA (qty 2) SCREW
68029480AA BOLT

I was just wondering if there was a Mopar kit number. Evidently not.

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