VM 3.0L in 2011 Grand Cherokee?

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:59 pm

Here's a link that indoicates the Grand for 2011 will have a VM 3.0L V6 :-)r

We'll most likely never see it in the US but it shows Chrysler/Fiat is sticking with VM at least for the short term :BANANA:

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... p?p=534523

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:09 pm

Joe Romas wrote:

Here's a link that indoicates the Grand for 2011 will have a VM 3.0L V6 :-)r

We'll most likely never see it in the US but it shows Chrysler/Fiat is sticking with VM at least for the short term :BANANA:

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... p?p=534523

In this section we are not allowed to discuss politics, but the reason we can't have the 3.0L VM V6 is purely political Junk Science based legislation and has nothing to do with the environment.
Can't speak for anyone else, but my son's fiancee will never wear black panties under a white dress.
My point the US anti diesel regulations are stupid and based upon fake information.

europachris · **Posted:** Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:22 pm

Even if we could get it, who would buy it after seeing how the Liberty CRD has been such a turd? The VM engine isn't the problem, it's all the Chrysler parts around it.

But even with that fact set aside, I'm not sure I would buy ANY modern diesel once I'm done driving my '02 VW into the ground. The engines have become so horrendously complex that whatever reliabilty benefit they had over gassers is long gone. I'm involved with a project where a new model is getting a new diesel engine to meet future off-highway emission levels. The current engine is stone-age tech - pre-chamber mechanical distributor pump engine, non-turbo. The new engine is common rail, turbo, cooled EGR, and the exhaust went from 1 part - a muffler - to 8 parts - cat, DPF, muffler, two temp sensors, O2 sensor, pressure sensor, and exhaust butterfly valve. Then there is all the crap associated with the EGR, too, and the EGR is pure evil. I can't believe how much cleaner the oil stays in the CRD after the SEGR was installed, and the exhaust is no longer a constant trail of black out the tailpipe. So how is EGR better? Hmm?? Blow clouds of soot out the exhaust (oh wait, the EPA will fix that - add a DPF!!!), feed the engine it's own crud, fill the oil up with soot so it grinds itself to bits in less than 100,000 miles, and cause all manner of other maintenance headaches in the process.

At least VW got smart and took the EGR from AFTER the DPF, so at least the soot is left out of the intake. But the latest VW TDI engine has the entire exhaust system from manifold to tailpipe being one giant emissions control device, and I don't want to think how much it will cost to repair/replace when it plugs up after 100,000 miles. I'm at 165,000 on my TDI.....going strong.

teckman02 · **Posted:** Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:34 pm

nope no CRD for the US

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_engines.htm

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:50 pm

The jerks that made up the false anti-diesel environmental information need two things to happen to them:
1) Permanently cut their Grant Money/funding once they submit bogus data.
2) Prosecute them under the same laws that Industries and waste treatment operators have to follow.

Then repeal all Laws and Regulations based upon the bad Data.

Short of a major States Vs Federal Government Constitutional Coup/revolution, or a major technological innovation chances for a Diesel Jeep in the US look slim.

ChesterCRD · **Posted:** Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:59 pm

Warp for President, 2012.

flman · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:46 am

Joe Romas wrote:

Here's a link that indoicates the Grand for 2011 will have a VM 3.0L V6 :-)r

We'll most likely never see it in the US but it shows Chrysler/Fiat is sticking with VM at least for the short term :BANANA:

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... p?p=534523

Wow! I6 24 Valves, I bet that thing is going to be a real torque monster compared to the V6 MB they used to use in the Grand. I am not going to worry about it not being in the US, my other 2 Jeeps are still running just fine.

salden77 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:42 pm **Posts:** 271

Up here in good ol New York State, you cant even buy a new diesel vehicle unless the GVW is over 6000 lbs. pretty stupid, it has to have something like 7,000 miles on it before you can even register a diesel that under 6000 GVW in NYS.

NJCRD · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:04 am

Hypothetically, if I had the money, could that be purchased over seas and shipped here?

flman · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:10 am

NJCRD wrote:

Hypothetically, if I had the money, could that be purchased over seas and shipped here?

Nope!

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:51 am

Sure it could, the problem will be with getting it out of the port and REGISTERED. There are possibilities of things like registering it as a "kit car" and possible variances that I have found based on the similarities to existing vehicles... But what you are up against is a VERY steep uphill climb.

Full disclosure: I'm not a lawyer, and while I have done a decent amount of reading on this subject (looking for a Mini Cooper D for myself once) the reality is that the government paperwork seems designed to push you toward a "registered importer" who may or may not know the ways to accomplish this. I have not spoken with a registered importer, as I don't have the cash to even SHIP a vehicle, much less purchase it in the first place.

An interesting point would be all these "show cars" that are in the USA (Granted most of them are ancient OR company demos like the Mahindra) or vehicles that are going to be "only used on private property" and not registered... That the gov't knows about. Would it be possible to get a vehicle out of the port if it was destined for only private property? I don't know.

What I have found from my reading is that either a registered importer can make this work, or it would be faster and cheaper to buy just a crate motor and drop it into an older frame. With my 97 Grand Cherokee, I *know* there was a diesel option for the UK, but I don't know which transmission or anything else it used. I would love to buy a crate motor of that diesel from the UK for my 97... But the rest of the parts could be difficult to source. Better to look at a fully mechanical diesel like the 4BT as a replacement option... Which is what I'm doing.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:36 pm

Too bad someone can't come up with an interface box so5 cyl engines out of older sprinters can be dropped in. Adapter plates can be designed with a CAD program that costs less than $100. Mounts are fab in place.
Not rocket science, been there done that.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:05 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

Too bad someone can't come up with an interface box so5 cyl engines out of older sprinters can be dropped in. Adapter plates can be designed with a CAD program that costs less than $100. Mounts are fab in place.
Not rocket science, been there done that.

Well if a 4.0L AMC six will fit a 2.5L 5 cylinder should surley fit :SOMBRERO:

flman · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:29 pm

geordi wrote:

Sure it could, the problem will be with getting it out of the port and REGISTERED.

Exactly, it would take alot more then money to get it done. You can buy new Liberty CRD KKs on ebay that are already in the US, but you cant register them in the states. But maybe you could if you were to lie to the DMV, or change the serial number and commit fraud? So pretty much trying to register a new non NAFTA vehicle in the states is pretty much impossible. Not to mention getting it past customs.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:49 pm

flman wrote:

geordi wrote:

Sure it could, the problem will be with getting it out of the port and REGISTERED.

Exactly, it would take alot more then money to get it done. You can buy new Liberty CRD KKs on ebay that are already in the US, but you cant register them in the states. But maybe you could if you were to lie to the DMV, or change the serial number and commit fraud? So pretty much trying to register a new non NAFTA vehicle in the states is pretty much impossible. Not to mention getting it past customs.

Lets develop a time machine and find a way to get Albert Hofmann the guy who invented Lysergic acid diethylamide in 1936, get him to OD on the crap in the lab so he torches the lab and looses the formula for ever.
That way there would never be any Acid Head Hippies who took over the EPA, instead they would all be Organic Pot Heads and not care as long as they could get their Organic Pot. Regulations would be much more reasonable and we could all have the Diesels we want as long as the soot did not blacken the Pot growing in the fields.
In fact I would be ripping Subaru Diesels right now, Just a thought. :BANANA:

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

I can't disagree with any of the this, but I would like to remain optimistic about future diesels. Frankly, the emissions crap on the newer engine makes them very undesirable. But I'd probably still get on if I needed a vehicle. I will say I have seen a lot of the MB CDIs, Audi TDI and VW TDIs recently. And the drivers are very different from any of us or the truck crowd. I think their marketing has has a positive effect in improving the image of diesels and expanding the market. (The image of diesels in this country is as much of a problem as the EPA.) I know a guy that owns a Audi dealership. He says he can't keep the diesel SUVs on the lot. Very poplar. They are considered "green" now. So maybe there will be a market in the future. I am wanting for the diesel Cayenne to come to the U.S. so i can get my wife something really nice for her next vehicle.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:13 am

Tinman wrote:

[snip] I know a guy that owns a Audi dealership. He says he can't keep the diesel SUVs on the lot.

For the most part this has been the case with VW's since they were first sold here in 1977 except for a short time in the mid 1980's when Rabbits were made in New Stanton Pa.
When I desided to buy a CRD in 06 it was because the daughter of a couple down the street bought one. If she can have one so can I :ROTFL:

She commutes from a rural burg to work. I did see a very nice Jetta TDI wagon yesterday :jester:

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

The Audi, Porsche (in Europe) and Toureg are all the same except sheet metal. I like the Toureg the best, but supposedly the new Cayenne has improved off road capability. They do race that thing in Siberia. I haven't seen any of the BMW diesels yet, but quite a few of the others. That MB CDI is amazingly quite.

geordi · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:15 pm

I would love to get my hands on a Touareg TDI with the I-5 engine that the rest of the world gets. If that engine is powerful enough to push the truck around, it boggles the mind why the USA (and apparently Germany too) get a V-10 which is basically TWO of those motors glued together. The sad part for the USA is that we didn't even get the option of the I-5.

The Touareg TDI is a gorgeous vehicle, I was looking at those instead of the CRD when I got mine, but I couldn't come up with the entry price. $50k for a USED truck that was originally $70k? Oof. Even now, they are still in the high 20s, and I would still love to get one of those. No timing belt (it has GEARS) and the same massive tow ratings that our CRD has.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:22 pm

geordi wrote:

I would love to get my hands on a Touareg TDI with the I-5 engine that the rest of the world gets. If that engine is powerful enough to push the truck around, it boggles the mind why the USA (and apparently Germany too) get a V-10 which is basically TWO of those motors glued together. The sad part for the USA is that we didn't even get the option of the I-5.

The Touareg TDI is a gorgeous vehicle, I was looking at those instead of the CRD when I got mine, but I couldn't come up with the entry price. $50k for a USED truck that was originally $70k? Oof. Even now, they are still in the high 20s, and I would still love to get one of those. No timing belt (it has GEARS) and the same massive tow ratings that our CRD has.

We were close to getting a I5 tdi here in the Eurovan. The bently repair manual I have for my EV has all the information for a i5 tdi. That I would want to hold on to but I'm waiting for my 93 i5 gasser to die so I can get rid of it :dead:

There are some Eurovans in the US with a i5 normally asperated idi diesel brought down from Canada. At one time to bring one down it was as easy as getting a paper from VOA stating it met DOT requirements for it's year. Last I knew VW stopped doing that.

VM 3.0L in 2011 Grand Cherokee?

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