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| Author: | popmisoli [ Sat May 29, 2010 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CRD ON FIRE !!! |
My 2005 CRD cought a fire today .Under the hood everything is melted .Did anybody had problem with fire under the hood ? |
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| Author: | CATCRD [ Sat May 29, 2010 8:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Yes, we have seen pictures of at least two CRDs that caught fire, probably at the fuel heater. |
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| Author: | popmisoli [ Sat May 29, 2010 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Any idea about the warranty on that ???Car went to dealership , but I do not want to think about them .They ask me today for the key , so they can close my windows , whil the FireDept . cut the hood to pu the fire down . |
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| Author: | racertracer [ Sat May 29, 2010 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Well if the casue of the fire was the fuel head, you may have some recourse.... but knowing what I know about Chrysler, be ready for a fight. Good luck. |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Sat May 29, 2010 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
If you have comprehensive insurance - they should cover the Jeep and then depending on the data available they will probably take it up with Jeep (They have Lawyers that specialize in that) (I think it, it will take a lawsuit or threat of one to get Chrysler's attention - although there was a NHTSA complaint about the fuel heads) |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Sat May 29, 2010 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
FYI - this was the contact when there were initial NHTSA complaints http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21971 also search on NHTSA (and filter out the ball joints) - there are a lot of threads |
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| Author: | popmisoli [ Sun May 30, 2010 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Thanks . I know it is goin to take some time to resolve the problem .I just have to explain my wife (7 months pregnant ) , my 4 y.o , and 17 m . o that diesels aer safe cars .They were driving the car at the time ...... |
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| Author: | geordi [ Sun May 30, 2010 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Feel free to use me as an example to tell your family about. My previous car was a 2001 VW Jetta TDI diesel. Very similar system to the Jeep CRD, except that it did NOT have any kind of fuel heater. I had a high-pressure line to one of the injectors crack off while I was on a trip. These lines have 24,000 PSI of fuel in them... And I had one break at the pump outlet end. I drove over 900 miles with the pump spraying diesel fuel all over the engine. When I arrived at my destination, I opened the hood and collected more than a gallon of fuel as it drained out of the hood blanket. There was no fire, and this was not biodiesel which would have been even LESS of a fire risk. That TDI is still on the road, with over 150k miles on it. Only HOT diesel fuel is a fire risk, which is why that fuel heater is such a dumb addition to the CRD.... Besides the fact that they put it at the TOP of the fuel system, so unless you have a lift pump (Because they didn't install any from the factory) your fuel heater is almost always in an air pocket. This is a known design flaw from Chrysler. It has NOTHING to do with diesels as a whole - They are safer than a gas vehicle. If you are running a gasser with ethanol and get in a wreck with a fire... Bad things can happen. If you have a diesel, the fire will probably not ignite the fuel unless it is in something that will already burn - Like a porous surface. It won't burn on its own. If you have BIODIESEL in the diesel... The firemen will simply help you out of the wreck and hose it off with water. Biodiesel is almost impossible to unintentionally ignite. I made my own biodiesel for a while, and one of the tests I did was to see how bio burned against diesel and gasoline in a simple paper towel. The gasoline - Ignited almost before I got a match near the towel and burned VERY quickly. The diesel - I had to keep the match against the paper towel for 2-3 seconds before it grudgingly ignited, and it burned quite slowly. Biodiesel - Almost 5 seconds of contact with the match before it finally lit... And the paper towel acted as a WICK and a single towel burned for about 15 MINUTES before finally being consumed. |
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| Author: | GeekyJeep [ Sun May 30, 2010 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
geordi.. stuff like that on the burning rates of fuels ( on a simple experiment like that) make me wonder why diesel isnt the standard instead of gas. i guess in europe and such it is.. |
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| Author: | mikey1273 [ Sun May 30, 2010 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Yeah I wonder that too. with all the safety stuff we have these days I wonder why we have not changed to a less volitale fuel like diesel or bio as a main motor fuel. Bio would make sense as a renewable fuel for sure. But then again they make laws like wearing seat belts and a helmut to ride a motorcyle and after years of lobbing in Pennaylvania now it optional once you are off you class M Learning permit for 6 months or something like that to wear a helmut on a motor bike. Then you are required to wear one to ride a bicycle on the roads and bike trails.... it makes no sense how some things in our country come about. I always wear mine in the bike trails and think those that don't are stupid.... Oh well the world is over populated what can it hurt to loose a of the stupid ones. |
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| Author: | warp2diesel [ Sun May 30, 2010 2:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
GeekyJeep wrote: geordi.. stuff like that on the burning rates of fuels ( on a simple experiment like that) make me wonder why diesel isnt the standard instead of gas. i guess in europe and such it is.. The California Acid Heads of the 1960s who joined up with CARB and the EPA did not like the smell and taste of the Diesel exhaust of the 1960s when they snorted it, they did not get a buzz the VW Air Cooled engines produced, and it left a bad taste in their mouths. Now that most of the sulfur is out of D2, Diesels don't smell the same, but the Acid Heads who Joined CARB and the EPA like any compulsive liars, do not want to admit they are wrong so they can retain their obsessive hatred of Diesels. They even keep blaming asthma attacks on Diesels even though a much bigger cause is Roach droppings caused by bad house keeping typical of Acid Heads. Europe's Hash Heads did not trip on acid as much and have other fixations, but the up coming generation of Extacy Trippers who are obtaining political power have their crazy ideas now making it into European Legislation.
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| Author: | geordi [ Sun May 30, 2010 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
The original use for petroleum was as a replacement for whale oil in lamps. The cracking process hasn't changed much in 100 or so years, but the desired product originally was kerosene. Gasoline and lighter fluids were considered "undesirable" then... So were cheaper to purchase from the oil barons. We all know that Rudolph originally designed his engine to run on peanut oil, which (IIRC) was also considered an undesirable back then. Even if it was a normal product for other things, it was cleaner and easier to get than oil. My understanding is that even Henry Ford talked with Rudolph about putting diesel engines into the Model T at one point. BOY would that have made the world a different place! Why he didn't, I can't remember right now. Supply and manufacturing reasons aside, safety of the fuel has never been a deciding factor for the auto makers and their bought-off members of Congress. Anyone remember a tiny little doomed design called the PINTO that would burst into flames if you hit it in the rear? The original Ford Mustang had the SAME DESIGN FLAW - The top of the fuel tank was the bottom layer of the trunk. There was no second layer of steel, and the tank was just resting (tack welded) in between the frame rails that had NO REINFORCEMENT BEHIND THE TANK... So WHEN you were rear-ended, the bumper would collapse inward... Directly into the tank. Tank ruptures, spraying fuel everywhere into the trunk area. On the Pinto, since it was a hatchback... You were now wearing a gasoline suit just looking for a spark. Ford famously produced a memo that said it would be cheaper to pay the claims than to fix this design on the pinto. Bastages. The design continued through the mid 80's (even though the original Mustang and Pinto designs were scrapped in the mid 70's) because they CONTINUED to put the tank unprotected BEHIND the axle in the Crown Victoria and equivalent full-size frame cars from Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury. Only after several WELL-PUBLICIZED fires involving police cars did they finally stop doing that and protect the tank better. Remember the GM dually trucks with the "sidesaddle" fuel tanks in the wheel wells on both sides? Another completely unprotected mounting for the tanks... And ANOTHER memo of the same "cheaper to pay lawsuits than fix this" from the board. Garbage, all of them! This kind of blatant avarice and greed is the reason why diesel isn't more prevalent in this country, why Los Angeles no longer has a world-class mass transit street car system, and why the state of development of ACTUAL alternatives to oil-powered vehicles hasn't changed in 100 years in this country. Someone is getting paid off, and someone else is making WAY too much money to allow actual competition to endanger their money flow. Electric cars existed BEFORE gasoline engines. Electric TRUCKS existed before diesel powered trucks moved their first pallet. So why after 100 years of development, can we still only get 15mpg from a passenger SUV (gasser) and barely 40 miles of pure electric from an electric vehicle? The GM EV-1 in the late 80s could give 100 miles and nobody really knows how fast they could top out at (chickened out at 180mph after removing the limiter) Yet GM and Toyota fought tooth and nail against the requirement of even BUILDING them, and suddenly pulled all of them from the marketplace and destroyed them once their lawsuits were bought in their favor. I know I sound like a tinfoil hat right now... But the motive is simple: FOLLOW THE MONEY. Who stands to lose the most if something changes? We all know that diesel is safer to use, has more energy (so you use less of it) and is cheaper to produce... And you get more of it from a barrel of oil, which further reduces the amount of oil that you need to start with... So who stands to lose the most if we use more diesel fuel? FUEL PRODUCERS WHO WON'T SELL AS MUCH PRODUCT. So they fight by buying junk science that says that diesel is dirtier. If you use LESS of it, you are naturally polluting less than gasoline. Ditto for CO2 production, the newest boogeyman. But that won't dissuade someone who's eyes are blinded by $$$$$. Think about this: History is repeating itself right now. Watch this link, and tell me what you think has changed to make the world better or safer... Or has money simply been spent to protect the status quo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9A36A3GTcY Yea... This is a huge problem. But are any of the sheeple REALLY going to be able to prevent this from ever happening again? I doubt it. |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Sun May 30, 2010 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
This was one of the Gasser's that caught on fire http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35068&p=366053#p366053 |
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| Author: | mikey1273 [ Sun May 30, 2010 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Geordi I would have been like about 6 when that 1979 oil well burst... I don't remember that but I do think its funny that we have not learned a thing form that. History sure dose repeat and yes thing do fallow the money. |
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| Author: | geordi [ Sun May 30, 2010 7:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
mikey1273 wrote: Geordi I would have been like about 6 when that 1979 oil well burst... I don't remember that but I do think its funny that we have not learned a thing form that. History sure dose repeat and yes thing do fallow the money. I was 3. My first car was a 1983 Lincoln Town Car that was purchased new by my parents. It had the fuel tank located behind the axle, under the trunk... BUT it was under the "shelf" in the trunk where the full-size spare resided. Well protected by almost 30 inches of frame rail to the bumper. That car took a 50 mph impact dead-center on the left rear tire from a Pontiac station wagon. Spun the car 180, the bumper actually dislodged and swung out to dent the passenger rear quarter panel... Turned the rear differential into steel oatmeal according to the guys at Ford. Didn't break a single piece of glass however... But the inside of the trunk was "interesting" to look at after. The center was still flat tho. But that tank wasn't touched. They said that the frame rail was only "scratched" on the driver's side, not pushed or dented at all. They knew how to build battleships back then. We got it fixed and put over a quarter-million miles on it. Good car. And BTW: for a 5.0 engine with crappy throttle-body fuel injection and only 4 gears pushing a 2 ton brick shape... It got 28mpg on the highway. Why in 27 years have we not progressed ONE DAMM BIT????? Follow the money. |
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| Author: | Sir Sam [ Mon May 31, 2010 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
popmisoli wrote: My 2005 CRD cought a fire today .Under the hood everything is melted .Did anybody had problem with fire under the hood ? Any chance you might do a buy back for someone to fix the jeep? |
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| Author: | popmisoli [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
Thanks for the NHTSA link. They are looking in to it . About car , it is gone . Parked on dealers lot . Chrysler sent us a paper ,saying f.... y...all.It wasn`t mechanical.......lawyers can not do much , some statue b.s. , 4 years......Please , check your fuel heaters , before the Fire Dept. has to get involve. |
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| Author: | geordi [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
They may have cited a statute of limitations, but that isn't the real reason why they won't do anything for you... Or anyone else with a real justifiable claim. Thank a judge in NY for this one, but since you sent your claim information to Chrysler-Fiat-dont-give-a-shlit... They didn't build your CRD or anybody else's. The CRD was manufactured by Daimler-Chrysler or Chrysler Motor LLC..... A totally "different" company. That judge in NY was officiating the bankruptcy proceedings and issued a proclamation that stated that Chrysler-Fiat was a totally "new" corporation that was ONLY "purchasing" the remaining assets from bankrupt Daimler-Chrysler and NONE of the debts. Anyone with a claim against Daimler-Chrysler had no legal standing for a claim against Chrysler-Fiat... And Chrysler-Fiat also had no legal requirements or liabilities for any previous claims. Wasn't that just so generous of that judge, to give all the assets (piles of money and buildings and patents) to the "new" company run by the same jerks... And leave all the existing owners holding the bag? Just makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that they are doing what they publicly stated: "We will honor all existing warranties and take care of our customers" like they have just proven. Kinda makes me recall what BP said not too long ago publicly: "We will live up to our responsibilities and honor all legitimate claims." Yea... But I have a crisp new $10 that says they won't pay ONE CENT over the current-law limit of 75 million... B/c that is their current "responsibility" just like Chrysler-Fiat was absolved of HAVING any to the existing owners. Sorry you got caught up in the corporate greed tho. For me personally... I have lost all faith in ANY kind of warranty coverage from any company. All it is, is a warm feeling for the customer... Until they actually need it. |
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| Author: | onthehunt [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
What was the cause of the fire? |
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| Author: | warp2diesel [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CRD ON FIRE !!! |
geordi wrote: Kinda makes me recall what BP said not too long ago publicly: "We will live up to our responsibilities and honor all legitimate claims." Yea... But I have a crisp new $10 that says they won't pay ONE CENT over the current-law limit of 75 million... B/c that is their current "responsibility" just like Chrysler-Fiat was absolved of HAVING any to the existing owners. Sorry you got caught up in the corporate greed tho. For me personally... I have lost all faith in ANY kind of warranty coverage from any company. All it is, is a warm feeling for the customer... Until they actually need it. If the big Ka Hoo Na forces BP into Chapter 11, how much does any one think the Small Business people will get? Give you a clue the square root of zero.
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