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dsmith,

Unfortuately, no. It does not even have a plug to connect a controller like Ford and GM.

DOC

DOC4444 wrote:

dsmith,

Unfortuately, no. It does not even have a plug to connect a controller like Ford and GM.

DOC

This is wrong sort of.

A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory.

B) The CRD does have the necessary wiring under the dash to connect a brake controller quickly. It's hidden somewhat behind the kick panel, but it's there. I wired mine up in no time. The longest amount of time was spent on locating the controller in the tiny cabin of the CRD so that it wouldn't hit my leg all the time.

By contrast.. my 2003 Ranger with factory tow hitch had NO wiring whatsoever...and I had to manually wire that entire truck to get working lights/trailer brakes. What a PITA.

A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory.

LibertyCRD wrote:

A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory.

TOTALLY WRONG!!!

Being a diesel it came with some heavy duty items like power steering fluid cooler, bigger battery and alternator. But no way on the wiring.
I bought mine new and still have the brochure.

The towing package also included a class 3 hitch along with the necessary wiring.

I spent the better part of a day putting the two wiring harnesses in my CRD.

LibertyCRD wrote:

A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory.

Joe Romas wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory.

100% WRONG. ALL CRDs came with towing package as standard equipment. If yours was missing it when new...then your dealership has robbed it to make money, and you should confront them.

Also, it's on the window sticker as such...so if anybody needs proof that the CRD package came with towing AND 7 pin harness... I'll gladly post it up.

Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:21 am ]
Post subject:	Tow Package problem
Hello all, I have an '06 libby and I'm having trouble with the tow package working the lights on my trailer. I think I remember towing with this thing a couple years ago and having no issues but now it won't work the lights. I checked the 7 blade connector with a multimeter and got no voltage when the turn signal was flipped. I checked every blade just in case it was ever messed with since I'm the second owner and no voltage on any of them. Is this usually a ground problem and is there a particular spot I can check to see where it is connected to the chassis? Also, what brake controller do you guys recommend under $100?

Author:	DOC4444 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Don't use ANYTHING less than a Tekonsha Prodigy. The "other" Jeep site has a CRD section that has excellent instructions to wire in a brake controller. Unfortunately, it is not easy like with a Ford or GM. Install in the cubby in front of the shifter. DOC

Author:	Joe Romas [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Here's the deal on the towing package wiring. Trailer tail and running lights are powered by a relay package back in the right rear quarter panel. Power for that relay depends on if was put on at the factory or added by a dealer or PO. If it come from the factory there's a fuse up front in the box by the battery labled towing or something like that that supplies the relay. If it's the mopar harness kit that was added you'll still have the fuse up front in the box but there should be a single fuse mounted up by the battery somewhere if the installer followed the directions with a wire running to the relay in the rear.. Myself and others located the red "towing" wire from the fuse box up front and hooked into that inside the car near the steering columb. If it was added there were two cables needed, the harness in the rear with the relays and 7 pin plug for the trailer then a "supplemental" harness. HOWEVER IF YOU HAVE A EVIC then the wiring for the evic also does what the "supplemental" harness does. There's also a fuse beside the drivers door labled to or something and that turns the voltage to charge your camper battery on when the car is running. the supplemental harness also has the blue wire for the brake controler of your choosing. I personally got a inexpensive name brabd for my 3000# trailer. The turn signals also work off relays. See the factory service manual. I would first check where the harness plugs in the rear of the 7 pin connector

Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Wow, thanks for that info. Since it is a CRD I am assuming it was factory. I checked both the fuses near the battery and beside the dash on the drivers side. The fuse was blown in the cabin fuse box but after replacing it with a fuse that lights up if it is blown I got no power running to the 7 blade connector. Could something else have blown?

Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Also, does the libby have a built in brake controller? I've been told by somebody that it does...

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Author:	DOC4444 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
dsmith, Unfortuately, no. It does not even have a plug to connect a controller like Ford and GM. DOC

Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Not even a plug? I've never had a vehicle with a tow package that didn't have a built in plug... Well that was surely an oversight by Jeep. Well, I'm sure somebody has posted info on an installation. Any good links?

Author:	Joe Romas [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Don't "assume" because it's a crd that it's a factory towing package. Most bought them with towing in mind but when I bought mine in May 06 I found 5 locally but none had the towing package. The fact you found not one but TWO fuses, if I understand correctly, external to the power distribution box that tells me the wiring has been added. From the factory there were no fuses up there that were not in the bax. Now if you can find the blue wire behind the drivers's left kick panel it could have been factory installed but that "supplemental" harness I spoke of also has the blue wire.

Author:	LibertyCRD [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
DOC4444 wrote: dsmith, Unfortuately, no. It does not even have a plug to connect a controller like Ford and GM. DOC This is wrong sort of. A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory. B) The CRD does have the necessary wiring under the dash to connect a brake controller quickly. It's hidden somewhat behind the kick panel, but it's there. I wired mine up in no time. The longest amount of time was spent on locating the controller in the tiny cabin of the CRD so that it wouldn't hit my leg all the time. By contrast.. my 2003 Ranger with factory tow hitch had NO wiring whatsoever...and I had to manually wire that entire truck to get working lights/trailer brakes. What a PITA.

Author:	LibertyCRD [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8820 Can't find my original post that had pics.

Author:	jinstall [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
LibertyCRD wrote: DOC4444 wrote: dsmith, Unfortuately, no. It does not even have a plug to connect a controller like Ford and GM. DOC This is wrong sort of. A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory. B) The CRD does have the necessary wiring under the dash to connect a brake controller quickly. It's hidden somewhat behind the kick panel, but it's there. I wired mine up in no time. The longest amount of time was spent on locating the controller in the tiny cabin of the CRD so that it wouldn't hit my leg all the time. By contrast.. my 2003 Ranger with factory tow hitch had NO wiring whatsoever...and I had to manually wire that entire truck to get working lights/trailer brakes. What a PITA. Ah no mine did not have a electrical tow package on it when I bought it brand new. I had to buy both harnesses to wire up the 7 pin.

Author:	Joe Romas [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
LibertyCRD wrote: A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory. TOTALLY WRONG!!! Being a diesel it came with some heavy duty items like power steering fluid cooler, bigger battery and alternator. But no way on the wiring. I bought mine new and still have the brochure. The towing package also included a class 3 hitch along with the necessary wiring. I spent the better part of a day putting the two wiring harnesses in my CRD.

Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Well, i guess I was wrong, then right, and now I'm wrong again. Man I love the internet! Actually, thanks to everyone so far for helping me out. I have not had a lot of time to mess with it but I have to tow my car to the track in a week so I really need to get working on it. The two fuses I was talking about are in the manual. Both are in factory spots and weren't added afterwords. Slot 25 near the drivers left leg and the brake fuse near the battery. Also, I had a second to test it out and the running lights work! So, now I know it's not the ground otherwise the running lights wouldn't work either so it has to be the hookups but why would all of them not work except running lights? As far as the brake controller goes, is it true that it plugs easily in a harness somewhere in the footbox? Everybody else seamed to have had some issues getting the controller plugged in??? I am bidding on a couple on ebay so we'll see how that goes. The prodigy seams pretty good from the reviews.

Author:	LibertyCRD [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Joe Romas wrote: LibertyCRD wrote: A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory. TOTALLY WRONG!!! Being a diesel it came with some heavy duty items like power steering fluid cooler, bigger battery and alternator. But no way on the wiring. I bought mine new and still have the brochure. The towing package also included a class 3 hitch along with the necessary wiring. I spent the better part of a day putting the two wiring harnesses in my CRD. 100% WRONG. ALL CRDs came with towing package as standard equipment. If yours was missing it when new...then your dealership has robbed it to make money, and you should confront them. Also, it's on the window sticker as such...so if anybody needs proof that the CRD package came with towing AND 7 pin harness... I'll gladly post it up.

Author:	geordi [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Here you go LibertyCRD... You might want to give the factory a call and let them know that on my '05 they "stole" a bunch of "standard" parts from me. Tell you what: I'll even be generous, you can keep the parts that they should have given me according to this list. I'm waiting to hear their response to you. This is the FULL build sheet from the factory for my CRD. As you can see by the last item, the remote starter was requested by the original owner and factory installed, so this vehicle must have come right off the truck into his garage. But since "standard" equipment would ALWAYS be here according to you... Where is that tow package listed again? L7 - Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats -J3 - Khaki AHMS - Convenience Group I AJBS - Security Group AJPS - Power Convenience Group APAS - Monotone Paint A46P - 2.8LTD Eng(ENR)/5Spd A/T 545RFE(DGQ) BAZS - 136 Amp Alternator BCVP - 700 Amp Maintenance Free Battery BRYP - Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc Brakes CBFS - Premium Door Trim Panel CF5S - Rear 65/35 Folding Split Seat CGUS - Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready CG3S - Advanced Multistage Front Air Bags* CKCP - Floor Carpet CKNS - Cargo Compartment Carpet CKTS - Cargo Tie Down Loops CK3S - Plastic Swing Gate Trim Panel CLES - Front & Rear Floor Mats CLHP - Cargo Trim Panel w/Storage Net CSAS - Spare Tire Cover CSCS - Cargo Compartment Cover CSRS - Passenger Assist Handles CSWS - Driver Assist Handle CUFS - Full Length Floor Console DGES - All 5-Speed Automatic Transmissions DGQ - 5-Spd Automatic 545RFE Transmission DHAP - Lock-Up Torque Converter DHPP - Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System DJJS - Dana 30/186MM Front Axle DMES - 3.73 Axle Ratio DRAS - Corporate 8.25 Rear Axle ENR - 2.8L 4 Cyl Turbo Diesel Engine GBBS - Tinted Windshield Glass GCBS - Front Door Tinted Glass GEGS - Deep Tint Sunscreen Glass GEKS - Flipper Swing Gate Glass GFAS - Rear Window Defroster GNAS - Rear View Day/Night Mirror GNCP - Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors GT9S - Power Mirrors, Fold-Away GVBC - All Vehicles W/Power Mirrors GXMP - Remote Keyless Entry GXXP - Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System HAAS - Air Conditioning I56S - Route 56 - NS, Hapeville, GA JA2S - Instrument Cluster w/Tach JCBS - 120 MPH Primary Speedometer JHAS - Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers JHBS - Rear Window Wiper/Washer JJBS - Dual Note Electric Horns JJJS - 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet JJMP - Auxiliary 12-Volt Rear Power Outlet JKYS - Power Accessory Delay JPHP - Speed Sensitive Power Locks JPSS - Power 6-Way Driver Seat JPYS - Pwr Windows, Front 1-Touch Down K5KS - STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR LABS - Tire Pressure Monitoring Warning LP LACP - Illuminated Entry LBBP - Courtesy Lamps LCDP - Map/Dome Reading Lamps LDBP - Cargo Compartment Lamp LHDS - Headlamp Off Time Delay LMAS - Halogen Headlamps LNJS - Fog Lamps LPSS - CHMSL Lamp LSAP - Security Alarm LSES - Enhanced Accident Response System MDAS - Front License Plate Bracket MFZS - Bright Grille MJBS - Chrome Bodyside Molding MLAS - Body Color Fascias MSUS - Limited Edition Badge MT2S - Trail Rated Badge MVCS - Jeep Badge MVDS - 4X4 Badge MW1S - Bright Side Roof Rails MZRP - Common Rail Diesel Badge NAA - Federal Emissions NB1P - Federal Tier 2, Bin 10 Emissions NFPS - 20.5 Gallon Fuel Tank NHKP - Engine Block Heater NHMS - Speed Control PJC - Light Khaki Metallic Clear Coat QJCS - Light Khaki Metallic Clear Coat RAAC - All Radio Equipped Vehicles RBKS - AM/FM Compact Disc Radio w/Chgr Ctrl RCGS - 6 Speakers RDDS - Fixed Long Mast Antenna RSA - Sirius Satellite Radio SBAS - Power Rack and Pinion Steering SCGS - Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel SDAS - Normal Duty Suspension SUAS - Tilt Steering Column TBBS - Full Size Spare Tire TBRS - Outside Tire Carrier TR7P - P225/75R16 OWL All Season Tires TZAP - Goodyear Brand Tires WKBS - Matching Spare Wheel WLDP - 16X7.0 Lux Aluminum Wheels WLZC - All Aluminum Wheels XCAS - Occupant Classification System XGGS - Grocery Bag Hooks XJFS - Tethered Fuel Filler Cap XPFS - Protective Coating and Remover X95P - Call SIRIUS to Activate@888-539-7474 X97P - 1-Year Service Provided by SIRIUS YAAS - Build To U S Market Specifications YG3A - 3.5 Additional Gallons of Diesel ZCKP - Spring - Left Front ZCVP - Spring - Left Rear ZRKP - Spring - Right Front ZRVP - Spring - Right Rear Z5EP - Payload Rating - 1350# 1AAS - U.S. Dealer Retail 166S - Zone 66-Orlando 2TFA - Customer Preferred Package 2TF 22F - Customer Preferred Package 22F 5I4S - Four Wheel Drive (4WD)/(4X4) 5I8S - Left Hand Drive (LHD) 5YAS - KJ-Vehicle Family 5ZCS - Price Class P 594S - Vehicle Order Tracking 6USS - Label - U.S. Specifications 611S - Georgia State Code 911S - Georgia State Code 5A4A - REMOTE START SYSTEM

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Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Well, so all I need is the power and ground behind the kicker panel? Okay, that doesn't sound too bad. Any ideas as to why only the running lights work?

Author:	LibertyCRD [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
The only explanation to this would be if they changed policy for the '06 model year and did not include all the same things that the CRD package came with standard in '05. That would make no sense at all... but I guess it's possible. In any case, there are fuses on the dash (open the drivers door to find the panel) that also control the tail lights, etc. Perhaps you have a fuse blown here. I have a fuse there that blows all the time and renders my trailer without lights. I have to trace it down sometime....I think it's a ground short on my trailer itself that keeps blowing it. Check these fuses inside the Jeep if you haven't already.

Author:	geordi [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Joe Romas wrote: LibertyCRD wrote: A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory. TOTALLY WRONG!!! Being a diesel it came with some heavy duty items like power steering fluid cooler, bigger battery and alternator. But no way on the wiring. I bought mine new and still have the brochure. The towing package also included a class 3 hitch along with the necessary wiring. I spent the better part of a day putting the two wiring harnesses in my CRD. And I had to install both the wiring AND the physical hitch underneath the back. If "all CRDs came factory with the tow package" then why does my hitch have an e-trailer.com sticker on it, and I have bruised knuckles from installing it with grade-8 bolts in those 6 holes? I have the email with my "factory build list" somewhere, let me look for that and I'll post about it. But my CRD had NOTHING for towing. The dealer didn't "rob me" of anything. That isn't how a business works, except for shyster towing companies. Thanks for playing tho.

Author:	dsmithwc04 [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
Okay, let's not get tempermental. I appreciate everybody's help and I have heard plenty on the tow package both ways but I've yet to see a CRD with no tow package but I could be wrong. Especially since yours did not that proves that atleast some of them didn't have them. I would almost bet in might have been a Friday car. Everybody decided to get the last jeep done "quickly" and "forgot" the tow package! Just kidding of course.

Author:	jinstall [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Tow Package problem
LibertyCRD wrote: Joe Romas wrote: LibertyCRD wrote: A) ALL CRDs sold in the U.S. had the towing packing as standard equipment, which included the wiring for trailer brakes. So yes... his CRD should have all the wiring pre-existing from the factory. TOTALLY WRONG!!! Being a diesel it came with some heavy duty items like power steering fluid cooler, bigger battery and alternator. But no way on the wiring. I bought mine new and still have the brochure. The towing package also included a class 3 hitch along with the necessary wiring. I spent the better part of a day putting the two wiring harnesses in my CRD. 100% WRONG. ALL CRDs came with towing package as standard equipment. If yours was missing it when new...then your dealership has robbed it to make money, and you should confront them. Also, it's on the window sticker as such...so if anybody needs proof that the CRD package came with towing AND 7 pin harness... I'll gladly post it up. No dealership touched my KJ CRD, it came from the factory to the boat to the port to my hands. I can scan my window sticker and show you that it did not come with and electrical tow package. I have the e-spec 7 pin harness hanging in the garage and the e-spec trailer hitch on the KJ now. I have the reciepts from Just for Jeeps for both US spec harnesses so that I could tow a trailer here in the US. I remeber the day I popped out the orange body plug to insert the harness.