valkraider wrote:
Another thing that makes me laugh, is that people seem to treat dinosaur oil like it is magically pain free.
Like it somehow just completely magically appears in our gas tanks without consuming any energy. That oil drilling rigs, oil tankers, and trucks, and all of that are perfectly clean perpetual motion machines
Exactly. They do the same when talking about battery only electrics. When comparing to a gas car, somehow the gas is already magically in the tank, and they only talk about MPG and efficiency off what's already in the tank, ignoring the whole process it takes to get that gallon of gas in your tank. But for the electrics, they always throw in the whole supply chain, from coal mine to train to power plant to transmission lines to your outlet thru the charger into the batteries thru the motor to the ground. That way they make it look like an electric motor is less efficient than a gasoline engine, which any electrical and/or mechanical engineer will tell you is absolute BS.
And when you do get them to throw in the gasoline supply chain, they make assumptions such as the transportation is 100% efficient - X number of gallons left the refinery, and same X number of gallons got delivered to the corner station. No account for the energy expended by the pumping stations in the pipelines, at the terminal, fuel burned by the tanker trucks, energy spent at the refinery, or even the electricity used by the gas station to operate their equipment and pumps 24/7.
As I said before, there are lies, darned lies, and statistics.