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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:06 pm 
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I did some leg work and searched for pricing in my area for a timing belt change since i will be due for one before the winter comes.

This is for your information and what I encountered.

I have received the following 4 quotes for my scheduled 100,000 mile timing belt change from 2 dealers and 1 independent mechanic who works on Jeeps. All related parts included.
Dealers offer a guarantee on parts and labor for a year, the independent mechanic does not.

- In March 2010 dealer #1 quoted me $1200.00.

- In June 2010 same dealer #1 re-quoted me $1600.00 - $400.00 more this time because he forgot to add for gaskets and miscellaneous other parts which he couldn’t remember what they were at the time but could provide this information when the work is complete.

- In July 2010 dealer #2 quoted me $1000.00 out the door and for $100 more he would include a new thermostat. All necessary parts and labor included with a year’s warranty. So $1100.00 total including the thermostat.

- In August 2010 an independent jeep mechanic who has worked on CRD’s before and has worked on mine, quoted me $800.00 - $900.00 parts included but no guarantee.

If I order the all parts myself the total would be $634.00 shipping from Mopar Parts America.com.

Conclusion: I will go with dealer number 2 even though he is located 30 miles away from me but who has done 4 previous timing belts on CRDs with a qualified diesel mechanic. His price is reasonable and it includes a guarantee.

Motto of this story is: Shop around, find the best price, use a qualified mechanic, make sure that you're getting OEM parts and a guarantee.

Or if you are handy and know what you’re doing then doing the job yourself would be the best option.

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Was the inside of the first dealer's nose burned out from doing a white powder up his nose?
$400 extra for gaskets and forgotten items when you can get parts for $634 sounds very fishy.
Sometimes dealers high ball the price when they don't want the job.
Dealer #1 may be taking the CRD to dealer #2 and marking up the job to make the margin.
Does any one know the flat rate for the timing belt job?

Good luck and make sure they don't flash your ECM and screw it up.

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Does any one know the flat rate for the timing belt job?

According the Mitchell's labor giude it is 3.6 hours just for the timing belt,4.2 hours with WP,tensioner,and all pulley's to be replaced along with the timing belt.

So $1200 with all parts and labor(and fees,waste and shop supply fees) is a fair price in most area's of the country.

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tjkj2002 wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Does any one know the flat rate for the timing belt job?

According the Mitchell's labor giude it is 3.6 hours just for the timing belt,4.2 hours with WP,tensioner,and all pulley's to be replaced along with the timing belt.

So $1200 with all parts and labor(and fees,waste and shop supply fees) is a fair price in most area's of the country.


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$1,200 isn't too far off the mark for a dealer (its what I was quoted after they give me a good-guy discount :wink: ). This job can have a HUGE parts price swing depending on how many other pulleys and belts you replace going in and coming out. As for me, replace it all. This is not an easy job unless you do this for a living and there are many OSM moments if your not careful.

I bought the parts, my mechanic did the work, took his time (3 days) and just finished the job. He is charging me $750 in labor. While he was at it I had him replace the alternator AND this includes changing out #4 glow plug (this is not an "up-charge, I knew both were bad).

He is in SE of Indy about 25 miles. If you want him to work on your rig (I think he will though he normally repairs foreign cars, loves diesel mercedes and repairs Spinter cans too), PM me and I will send you his contact info.

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tjkj2002 wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Does any one know the flat rate for the timing belt job?

According the Mitchell's labor giude it is 3.6 hours just for the timing belt,4.2 hours with WP,tensioner,and all pulley's to be replaced along with the timing belt.

So $1200 with all parts and labor(and fees,waste and shop supply fees) is a fair price in most area's of the country.


I lived by Mitchell's labor guide for years and most of the time they were fair.
Looks like Dealer #2 is fair and #1 is supporting some kind of habit or making boat payments.
I know all about overhead, it eats you alive and every time you turn around some parasite like insurance, garbage fees, disposal fees, or other regulations take another bite out of you. Another aspect about running a small business that I do not miss at all, are the competitors who sponge off their Wife's health insurance, income, and other perks so they can under cut every one else. Companies like SnapOn love these guys so they can make them carry a lot of stock and have them work for cheap while selling their good but very high priced tools.

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I got the parts from parts.com. Found everything there but the water pump. The good is that they sell only Mopar stuff, the bad is that it’s a little pricey… I got the water pump from FourWheelerHB.com for 113 + 15 shipping, brand new, not refurb. That’s the best price I found. I did not change the water pump and thermostat, water pump bearing seemed fine and I’ll change the thermostat when I will replace the coolant in few days. I ended up doing it myself because I couldn’t find somebody I could trust enough. Most mechanics run away when hearing the word diesel.
To sum it up, I paid only for parts a little over 1,000, plus shipping (100+, don’t remember exactly), but I got a little more than the minimum necessary. Timing belt job only parts would be about 550. If anyone interested, I could follow up with parts #.
Below is a summary of the expenses for parts, for whoever is interested. I replaced the engine damper also, since it is an important part and protects crankshaft for extra wearing.
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 1 $139.15
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing belt Timing belt, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 1 $75.84
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Tensioner Tensioner, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 2 $103.62
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Idler pulley Idler pulley, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006
Collision Catalog - Jeep 1 $12.42
Engine - Engine parts - Timing cover - Gasket Gasket - 2.8 liter diesel 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 1 $97.75
Cooling system - Thermostat Thermostat, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 1 $1.84
Cooling system - Thermostat gasket Thermostat gasket, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006
Collision Catalog - Jeep 2 $8.28
Cooling - Water pump - Water pump - O-ring #2 - 2.8 liter diesel 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 2 $4.72
Cooling system - Water pump - Gasket Gasket, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - 2005 - Jeep - Liberty 1 $159.85
Engine, Crankshaft and bearings, Pulley, Pulley, liberty - 2.8l diesel - 2.8L DIESEL (this is the damper)
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep 2 $112.58
Serpentine idler pulley, liberty, 2.8l 2005 - 2006
Mechanical Catalog - Jeep $161.00
Serpentine tensioner, liberty, 2.8l 2005 - 2006
Water pump 113
Serpentine belt from Adv Autoparts $30.00
Total $1,020.05

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$750 for Parts
$700 Labor for water pump and timing belt and new serp belt

I am heading to Germany for a few weeks and there is no better time to get it done. I don't have the time to do it. This is the first major repair on a car I have not done in 20 years.

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Lost Junkie, Can you post the name of the dealer who has already done 4 diesel timing belts. I'm getting close to doing mine. Had a dealer lined up near me but they just went out of business. Might be worth the drive up to CT. Thanks,
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Thermorex, if you have a lot of time on your hands can you post the part numbers. I'm at 96K, getting close.
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tjkj2002 wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Does any one know the flat rate for the timing belt job?

According the Mitchell's labor giude it is 3.6 hours just for the timing belt,4.2 hours with WP,tensioner,and all pulley's to be replaced along with the timing belt.

So $1200 with all parts and labor(and fees,waste and shop supply fees) is a fair price in most area's of the country.


I lived by Mitchell's labor guide for years and most of the time they were fair.
Looks like Dealer #2 is fair and #1 is supporting some kind of habit or making boat payments.
I know all about overhead, it eats you alive and every time you turn around some parasite like insurance, garbage fees, disposal fees, or other regulations take another bite out of you. Another aspect about running a small business that I do not miss at all, are the competitors who sponge off their Wife's health insurance, income, and other perks so they can under cut every one else. Companies like SnapOn love these guys so they can make them carry a lot of stock and have them work for cheap while selling their good but very high priced tools.[/quote]


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I cost me 775 with the timing belt change atleast that is the best quote i got. But they are highly qualified and i bought all of my parts from mopar for 413.00 excluding thermostat, thermo gasket, andtiming belt. But we shall see how much it ends up costing me hopefully less considering they supposedly have thier "Best" mechanic working on it. Hopefully he can get it done quickly so i can get the passenger CV replaced and get out of the Mini Cooper S and back into my Jeep.

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I just got these times from Mitchell 1 online and you can see how the times are mixed up. You know you have to remove the inner timing covers for the water pump but the water pump time is listed less than the timing cover. I think the first dealer is looking at the whole scope of the job with the water pump is going to take almost 7 hours. If it's just belt and idlers it's much cheaper but have to add .1 for idlers and tensioner. If the shop charge 100 per hour, that will be almost 700 for labor. I don't know how many parts your going to get for 400 when you said your cost was 634. Maybe you should verify the whole scope of the job you want done from each.

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I cost me 775 with the timing belt change at least that is the best quote i got. But they are highly qualified and i bought all of my parts from mopar for 413.00 excluding thermostat, thermo gasket, and timing belt. But we shall see how much it ends up costing me hopefully less considering they supposedly have thier "Best" mechanic working on it. Hopefully he can get it done quickly so i can get the passenger CV replaced and get out of the Mini Cooper S and back into my Jeep.
Does anyone have updated numbers for this job?
I think it would be great to have a sticky with a list and contact info for highly qualified mechanics to work on CRDs.

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I have my CRD at a Jeep dealer right now for the T-belt service. I will post an update when the work is finished.

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My local Jeep dealer closed down, so I just went to another. They said book for the timing belt replacement was 6.3 hours. I just ordered the parts (belt, 2 pulleys and the tensioner) for $390 on line. So it looks like around $1000 for the entire job. Any guidance from anyone on the water pump? Replace it? Or if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
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.[/quote]Does anyone have updated numbers for this job?
I think it would be great to have a sticky with a list and contact info for highly qualified mechanics to work on CRDs.
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In my opinion replace the water pump, t-stat and coolant hoses while you are at it.

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In my opinion replace the water pump, t-stat and coolant hoses while you are at it.

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I got the parts from parts.com. Found everything there but the water pump. The good is that they sell only Mopar stuff, the bad is that it’s a little pricey… I got the water pump from FourWheelerHB.com for 113 + 15 shipping, brand new, not refurb. That’s the best price I found. I did not change the water pump and thermostat, water pump bearing seemed fine and I’ll change the thermostat when I will replace the coolant in few days. I ended up doing it myself because I couldn’t find somebody I could trust enough. Most mechanics run away when hearing the word diesel.
To sum it up, I paid only for parts a little over 1,000, plus shipping (100+, don’t remember exactly), but I got a little more than the minimum necessary. Timing belt job only parts would be about 550. If anyone interested, I could follow up with parts #.
Below is a summary of the expenses for parts, for whoever is interested. I replaced the engine damper also, since it is an important part and protects crankshaft for extra wearing.

parts from parts.com
1 - Timing belt, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006 $139.15
1 Tensioner, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006 $75.84
2 - Idler pulley, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006 $103.62
1 - Timing cover - Gasket - 2.8 liter diesel 2005 - 2006 $12.42
1 - Thermostat, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006 $97.75
1 - Thermostat gasket, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006 $1.84
2 - Water pump - O-ring #2 - 2.8 liter diesel 2005 - 2006 $8.28
2 - Water pump - Gasket, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 - 2006 $4.72
1- Pulley, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 (this is the damper) $159.85
2- Serpentine idler pulley, liberty, 2.8l 2005 - 2006 $112.58
1- Serpentine tensioner, liberty, 2.8l 2005 - 2006 $161.00
water pump from FourWheelerHB.com for $113 + $15 shipping
Water pump $113
Serpentine belt from Adv Autoparts $30.00
Total $1,020.05

What parts are not needed for the timing belt change?
It looks like the prices have already gone up since you ordered!
Did you say you had the parts numbers?

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Below is a list with all part numbers i have managed to get from this forum and that are usefull for me. The credit is not mine, but honestly it has been a long time since i have them and do not remember whos work is. There you find the part # for the timing belt job too (first 3 lines from below at a minimum).

Timing belt 5142579aa
Tensioner pulley 5142798aa
Idler pulley (2) 5142573aa
Timing cover gasket 5066921aa
Water pump 5142985aa
Water pump O ring 5159019aa
Water pump gasket 4864575
Thermostat 5142601aa
Thermostat gasket 5066806aa
ew turbo side intercooler hose - 55038729AA
new intake side intercooler hose - 55037730AD
IAP sensor - 05101120AB (pressure sensor on side of airbox)
MAP sensor - 68031593AA
euro torque converter - 68037142AA
new transmission pump - 68009879AB
alternator decoupler pulley - 53013554AE
alternator (with pulley) - 56044672AB
serpentine belt - 5072437AC
serpentine belt tensioner - 5072440AB
serpentine idler pulleys (2) - 5066938AA (NAPA: 36141, PRECISION PARTS: EP101)
fan clutch - 55037733AD
Timing belt - 5142579AA
Tensioner - 5142798AA
Idler pulleys (2) - 5142573AA
Timing cover Gasket - 5066921AA
Water pump - 5142985AA
Water pump O-ring #2 - 5159019AA
Water pump Gasket - 4864575
Thermostat - 5142601AA
Thermostat gasket - 5066806AA
driver side motor mount - 52129011AD
passenger side motor mount - 52129374AC
glow plug - 5142577AA (Bosch: 80041)
new OEM glow plug controller - 56044671AC
EGR valve - 05166555AB
exhaust to EGR valve pipe - 5170765AA
EGR valve to intake pipe - 5170787AA
FCV/AFC (EGR flow control valve) - 5142799AA
new redesigned fuel filter head - 68043089AA
wiring adapter for it - 68043086AB
fuel filter itself - 52129238AA (NAPA: FIL 3647, WIX: 33647)
oil filter - 05003558AA (Mobil 1: M1-301 larger sub)

Now, the MUST for the timing belt is the timing belt, the timing belt tensioner and the 2 timing belt pulleys. If any of those fail, you damage the engine. My opinion is to also change the water pump, especially if you are not a do it yourselfer, because half of the work in replacing it is done by taking apart the stuff for the timing belt. It may be possible (and very likely) for the water pump to fail before the next timing belt change interval (200K), and you will have to pay the work again, so why risking and not doing it cheaper now? Just my 2 cents...

Also, from what i remember from Jeep manual (and I may be wrong) the serpentine belt should be replaced every 50K. so that would be due for a change too, and why not doing it now if you have everything apart?

Regarding thermostat, I did not change it when I did the timing belt, saying that if it is good why bother. Then in late oct, when weather got colder, guess what, lol, the engine would not heat up, so i ended up changing it too. But thermostat is definitely a job that can be done separate than the belt.

Engine dampner (1- Pulley, liberty - 2.8l diesel 2005 (this is the damper) $159.85) is definitely recommended, but not neccessary. If you like to "baby" your car like I do, then go the extra mile and do it. That part will be also taken out from the engine when you do the timing belt and this is relatively important because if it is not perfectly ballanced (think like a wheel ballance) it adds extra wear and tear to the crankshaft, thus accelerating the end of the engine.

If there is something else i didnt cover, just pm me and I'll do my best to answer.

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