Sent to Beru, hopefully a better glow plug replacement plan

Squeeto · **Posted:** Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:15 pm

I sent an email to BorgWarner Beru Systems:

Quote:

Recently, Chrysler has discontinued production of ceramic glow plugs for my vehicle. The replacements are metal. This requires an ECM flash, new controller and glow plugs ($780 parts and labor + 13% tax for me in Canada).
You do not have a direct replacement for the old plugs for my vehicle on your Product Finder.
I was hoping that you could see if you manufacture a fast metal glow plug that may meet my requirements.

2006 Jeep Liberty CRD
Original glow plug part numbers:
Jeep 05142577AA
Bosch 80041 (or 0250302004 or GLP122?)
VM Motori 46 07 2009F (as per Bosch cross reference but may be for the European 11v models)

7 volt
M10x1.0mm
total length = 130mm
tip length = 26mm
I do not know if the original Bosch glow plug has two heating elements but I do know that the controller has a pre-heat and a post-heat cycle.

I am an active member of LOSTjeeps.com and I know that there are many people that would be interested to know if you have a product. I am happy to test the viability of any product that matches.

Thank you

GreenDieselEngineering · **Joined:** Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:10 pm **Posts:** 1111

The Beru glow plug systems are the best on the market. However, they will most likely give you the cold shoulder as it would cost them well over 100k to develop a glow plug to the exact dimensions for the VM engine. Not to mention their glow plug controller would require a jumper harness to mate with vehicle wiring as it is designed for the Bosch glow plug relay. And they would need to work with Chrysler to modify the ECM tune for the Beru system. On the bright side, the newest VM engine is moving to Beru as the future glow plug supplier. Of course, that is a V-6 and won't be here in the state until the 2013.5 model year.

flman · **Posted:** Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:37 pm

GreenDieselEngineering wrote:

The Beru glow plug systems are the best on the market. However, they will most likely give you the cold shoulder as it would cost them well over 100k to develop a glow plug to the exact dimensions for the VM engine. Not to mention their glow plug controller would require a jumper harness to mate with vehicle wiring as it is designed for the Bosch glow plug relay. And they would need to work with Chrysler to modify the ECM tune for the Beru system. On the bright side, the newest VM engine is moving to Beru as the future glow plug supplier. Of course, that is a V-6 and won't be here in the state until the 2013.5 model year.

X2 wishful thinking, but I agree Beru is not going to do a thing for an engine that is considered obsolete in the US. If you can get Beru to make GPs for the Lost members, we will have to bow at your presence. :ALONE:

Squeeto · **Posted:** Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:50 pm

GreenDieselEngineering wrote:

The Beru glow plug systems are the best on the market. However, they will most likely give you the cold shoulder as it would cost them well over 100k to develop a glow plug to the exact dimensions for the VM engine. Not to mention their glow plug controller would require a jumper harness to mate with vehicle wiring as it is designed for the Bosch glow plug relay. And they would need to work with Chrysler to modify the ECM tune for the Beru system. On the bright side, the newest VM engine is moving to Beru as the future glow plug supplier. Of course, that is a V-6 and won't be here in the state until the 2013.5 model year.

Ahhh, good point. I forgot to mention the harness connection type. And seat angle for that matter.

As far as I have seen, they seem to have other plugs with the same connection type. Their fast metal plugs heat nearly as fast as the ceramic ones from a graph I saw a week ago (but my memory fails me). My plan is to use the existing Jeep's controller (7v) and flash. They may already have a close match; that is what I am hoping for. You can't do a search on their site for specifications, only vehicle.

To all others:
Positive replies may promote a response from Beru.
If you have already bought the upgrade, this could still be another option down the road for you. Keep the original gp module and GDE flash for the 7v system.

The only downfall I can see is the availability of 7v controllers but the new 5v has the same part number anyway so I am not so sure that they are different. Besides, used 7v controllers will be abundantly available for stock up :mrgreen:

Also I know that the new gp package from Chrysler may go the same way as what happened to the VW crowd. That is why many Jeep owners are just watching for now. :POPCORN:

Squeeto · **Posted:** Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:18 pm

Here is one from their site (just an example):

Quote:

Glow Plug GN GN 003 - 0 100 226 379
Installation Information: Cover glow plug thread and -shaft with mounting grease, (GKF 01 - Order No. 0 890 300 034), before fitting to enable easier removal and prevent corrosion.
Tightening Torque [Nm] 15
Failure Moment [Nm] 35
Port Type Ø 4 mm
Cone Pitch 63°
Fitting Depth [mm] 28
Overall Length [mm] 130
Thread Size M 10x1
Spanner Size 10 mm
Glow Plug Type Pencil-type Glow Plug
Glow Plug Type After-glow capable
Rated Current [A] 13
Voltage [V] 11,5

Not the correct voltage but they make hundreds of different gp's and some are 7volt.

Squeeto · **Posted:** Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:07 pm

Quote:

Jeep CHEROKEE (KJ) 2.8 CRD 11.2004 - 120 kW / 163 PS 2776 / 4

Glow Plug GN GN 055 - 0 100 226 494
Installation Information: Cover glow plug thread and -shaft with mounting grease, (GKF 01 - Order No. 0 890 300 034), before fitting to enable easier removal and prevent corrosion.
Tightening Torque [Nm] 15
Failure Moment [Nm] 35
Port Type Ø 4 mm
Cone Pitch 63°
Fitting Depth [mm] 25,8
Overall Length [mm] 129,5
Thread Size M 10x1
Spanner Size 10 mm
Glow Plug Type Pencil-type Glow Plug
Glow Plug Type After-glow capable
Rated Current [A] 14
Voltage [V] 11

GreenDieselEngineering · **Joined:** Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:10 pm **Posts:** 1111

The "fitting depth" is very critical as this positions the hottest part of the glow plug tip to have the correct protrusion into the cylinder head. This is based on the spray angle of the fuel injector and ensures the fuel is right next to or spraying directly on the glow plug (the variance here depends on glow plug type and emission issues).

Squeeto · **Posted:** Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:27 pm

Quote:

Dear Squeeto,

Thank you for your interest in our products and our company. Unfortunately we do not have any glow plug in our program that could be utilized in your application.

We don't have any 7V glow plugs or a cross reference to Bosch 80041 in our range.

Best regards,

Sue Vail
AM Sales Mgr

...

It was worth a try.

I will send a note to NGK as well. But before I send one, can anyone confirm the fact that the 80041 has a seat angle of 63°.

Sent to Beru, hopefully a better glow plug replacement plan

Who is online