PZKW108 wrote:
"Testing with an OBDII reader has indicated that the engine operating temperature can be anywhere between 170 degrees Fahrenheit to just over 200 degrees Fahrenheit when the needle is at this normal position... this is most certainly not accurate, and therefore can not be relied upon to gauge if the engine is running at an optimal temperature. You can only use the O.E. gauge as a guide to tell you if the engine is overheating or if the thermostat valve has failed; nothing more. If you really want to know if your engine is running at an optimal temperature, install an accurate engine temperature gauge or use an OBDII reader to check it."
You are right Jeff. I've been monitoring my engine temp for a while with the obd2 and I can say 3 things about the OE gauge
1 It make you think it warming up faster than it really is.
2 around normal operating (a tad before 12oclock) temp it seem to be stable but it can be anywhere between 170 and 200.
3 as soon as you hit 210 (around first mark past 12oclock) then it look like they want to make sure you know you are about to overheat , the needle just go nuts...
So looks like the OE gauge is made inaccurate in purpose.
Thank you for your efforts in this regard, PZKW108... I am not driving either of the family's CRD vehicles right now, and someone monitoring engine temperatures continuously with an OBDII is helpful to illustrate what I am trying to say here.
Given the level of duplicity we all have experienced from Daimler-Chrysler, and now Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, I can totally believe a scenario where the manufacturer does its best to hide the fact that our CRD engines are not running at a proper, (read that as high enough), operating temperatures.
The responses from various members to this thread, (and many other threads regarding CRD engine operating temperatures and the O.E. temperature gauge), would clearly indicate that they think everything is O.K. when the O.E. temperature gauge needle is "a tad before 12 o'clock", when in fact that it is NOT O.K. WAKE UP, LOSTJEEPS CRD MEMBERS; STOP USING THE O.E. TEMPERATURE GAUGE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN BALLPARK ESTIMATES.
What strikes me as scary is that the Environmental Protection Agency has SO MUCH power and control over automobile manufacturers. The EPA can demand emission standards that are so rigorous that to implement them will require changes to the fundamental operational requirements of all internal combustion engines, and diesel engines in particular.
In this case that fundamental operational requirement is engine operating temperature. Any first year automotive engineer specializing in engine design will tell you that to squeeze as much power and fuel economy out of an engine as possible, you have to RAISE engine operating temperatures as much as is safely possible, (we owe our thanks to the chemical engineers in the lubrication industry for their continuous development of better and better engine oils for this). The specifications of the O.E. engine thermostat clearly shows that to meet the dubious NOx emission requirements of the EPA, Daimler-Chrysler went the other way and LOWERED the engine operating temperatures. Lowering engine temperatures had the desired effect of also lowing NOx emissions, but the end result is a giant headache for CRD owners in the form of lost fuel economy, lost power, and increased operational costs and repairs.
Ironically, the EPA mandate of lowering the world's carbon footprint is also adversely affected; thereby exposing the folly of the EPA treating internal combustion automobiles and transport trucks as "the enemy" and their lust for the bragging rights amongst government environmental agencies as having the BEST ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS IN THE WORLD. It is apparent to anyone taking some time to do research on their own that the EPA either has not done their homework on this issue, or has always known about the outcomes and do not care that their goals have adverse environmental impacts, as well as the obvious problems for consumers, both domestic and commercial.
Jeff Bauer