Battery will only produce 40% cranking power at 0 degrees.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:23 pm

"A fully charged battery will only produce 40% cranking power at 0°F (18°C) even if the battery is new and in good condition."

http://www.padheaters.com/battery_heater.html

I'm purchasing two pad heaters for my Cummins.

riptricket · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:00 pm

I run the factory the block heater, oil pan heater and a battery warming blanket. In Canada we use a junction block that cycles each heater for 2 minutes, saving power and prevents kickin the breaker. You may want to check the current draw on each unit if you plan on running them all at once so you don't wake up to a stone cold engine. Cheers.[/quote]

rjm were all of yours stock or did you purchase some?

RJM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:00 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

"A fully charged battery will only produce 40% cranking power at 0°F (18°C) even if the battery is new and in good condition."

http://www.padheaters.com/battery_heater.html

I'm purchasing two pad heaters for my Cummins.

I run the factory the block heater, oil pan heater and a battery warming blanket. In Canada we use a junction block that cycles each heater for 2 minutes, saving power and prevents kickin the breaker. You may want to check the current draw on each unit if you plan on running them all at once so you don't wake up to a stone cold engine. Cheers.

RJM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:10 pm

Pan heater and baterry blanket are aftermarket. block heater is factory.

riptricket · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:14 pm

can you do a wrtie up or tell me how you went about installing them?

RJM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:21 pm

Check out this link http://www.canadianpolarpad.com/

riptricket · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:37 pm

can you show pics of yours installed?

RJM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:49 pm

The above link shows step by step installation with pictures, Unfortunately its to cold here to pull off the skid plate and snap pictures. Exposed skin freezes in 30 seconds or less and sticks to anything metal.

riptricket · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:50 pm

so you have the pad then... to heat your engine?

RJM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:55 pm

RJM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:57 pm

Oklahoma! you don't need one of these it's warm enough to grow banana's there. Hee Hee.

riptricket · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:58 pm

i know, but i plan on traveling later in life and want to be prepared!

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:13 pm

RJM wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

"A fully charged battery will only produce 40% cranking power at 0°F (18°C) even if the battery is new and in good condition."

http://www.padheaters.com/battery_heater.html

I'm purchasing two pad heaters for my Cummins.

I run the factory the block heater, oil pan heater and a battery warming blanket. In Canada we use a junction block that cycles each heater for 2 minutes, saving power and prevents kickin the breaker. You may want to check the current draw on each unit if you plan on running them all at once so you don't wake up to a stone cold engine. Cheers.

Do you have a brand name or web link for a good quality junction block?

CATCRD · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:52 pm

The block heater on my CRD burned out and it looked like a total b!tch to replace. I got the wolverine stick-on pan heater as a substitute. The model 16, 250 watt was the biggest one that would fit on the flat spot on the bottom of the CRD pan. It gets the oil warm for sure (~120F), but doesn't get the whole block and head hot like the stock block heater does.

riptricket · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:56 pm

so in your opinion... would you rather have the "stock" block heater, or the pad?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:11 am

riptricket wrote:

so in your opinion... would you rather have the "stock" block heater, or the pad?

The pad heaters (that I posted) are better than stock.

Q: How does a Pad Heaters do a better job of Heating the engine than block heaters or tank type heaters?
A: Pad Heaters put Heat into the oil supply. HEAT RISES to warm important INTERNAL components.

Q: Are the pistons included in the list of Heater INTERNAL components and if so what temperatures are they warmed to?
A: Pistons are generally warmed to 30°C (85°F) or so as governed by variables in engine type and design.

Q: Will a Pad Heaters raise an engines coolant temperature?
A: Remember HEAT RISES off the heated oil supply. The crankcase walls along with the cylinder wall, the outer block wall and
the coolant between them create a very effective barrier to the loss of heat to the atmosphere.
Only a small amount of Heat is absorbed by the coolant resulting in a 15-20° increase in coolant temperature.

CATCRD · **Posted:** Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:39 am

riptricket wrote:

so in your opinion... would you rather have the "stock" block heater, or the pad?

Depends if you can get a bigger pad on the pan. 400W (stock) beats 250W any day, so unless you get a 500W pad, stock is better.

Question for dieselenthusiast: Are you affiliated with that company in any way? 3 threads in one night is a bit much.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:08 am

CATCRD wrote:

Question for dieselenthusiast: Are you affiliated with that company in any way? 3 threads in one night is a bit much.

No affiliation………… :lol:

I started three threads for three separate parts. It keeps questions and conversations in their respected areas. :wink:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:08 am

Be careful with those battery heaters,some years of KJ's have a battery temp sensor and it's located were that heater would go and will confuse the PCM which has the voltage regulator and may not recharge the battery at all.

If a battery only has 40% of it's power at 0 degrees,simple solution is to get better/more powerful battery.I kinda doubt the CCA's are only 40% of max power a 0 degrees,a battery on it's way out sure but not a good battery.My battery was still putting out over 1300 cca's the other day when it was -10 degrees outside,tested it since I was curious to how many cca's it had in the deep freeze compared to warmer temps.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:43 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

Be careful with those battery heaters,some years of KJ's have a battery temp sensor and it's located were that heater would go and will confuse the PCM which has the voltage regulator and may not recharge the battery at all.

If a battery only has 40% of it's power at 0 degrees,simple solution is to get better/more powerful battery.I kinda doubt the CCA's are only 40% of max power a 0 degrees,a battery on it's way out sure but not a good battery.My battery was still putting out over 1300 cca's the other day when it was -10 degrees outside,tested it since I was curious to how many cca's it had in the deep freeze compared to warmer temps.

I suppose my 2007 KJ has that battery sensor that you are talking about??????? Troy, if you remember, I already have an electric battery blanket on the KJ, but I was looking to buy a heater pad for the two batteries on my Dodge Cummins. I do know that my truck has battery sensors, although I do not know where they are located. Thanks for the information. I will call the pad heater manufacturer and ask about the sensors in relation to my truck.

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