europachris wrote:
Drewd wrote:
I do need to rub this in, my brother's TDI won't start in temps below 0 deg F, but my wife's GC CRD and my KJ CRD started easily temps much lower!!!!!
If his TDI won't start below zero, then there's something wrong with it - bad glowplugs, wrong oil, weak battery, lousy diesel, etc. My '02 has never failed to start down to -10, and that's nothing for TDIs. I cycle the glowplugs twice when it gets below 15 or so - not really necessary but it does help it start a little quicker and run more smoothly during the first minute or so.
No, its not that at all, trust me. I had an 04 and 06 TDI (5 speeds and had no issue down to -22 deg F even without using my 1500 watt blockheater. My bro's 06 TDI has the DSG transmission. At low temps the fluid is very thick which results in the fluid actually engaging the clutches in the transmission, i.e. significant drag on the battery/starter when attemping very cold weather starts. The bro never took my advice to install a frostheater (
http://www.frosterheater.com) or install a zerostart heater in his TDI and is now paying the price. He has new glowplugs and an oversize battery 1050 CCAs I believe-barely fits in there, and has it looked at by dealership and mechanic who serviced his DSG when his DMF flywheel was replaced. Its a DSG thing and a very common issue. In fact, the vicous fluid has caused folks to have issue with vehicle lurching forward (in park) when started in cold weather...a potential safety issue.
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/forum/f7/h ... blem-1652/ There are plenty of new owner compliants in Colorado
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As far as the Altitude/Cold/No start goes .... There are more than several TDI/DSG owners’ whom presented this No Start issue to VWoA.
VW of America’s roll it should be noted is that of a vehicle distributor. In my instance their response was a herculean effort to wiggle out of its new car warranty obligation. A classic retorhic strategy if there ever was. My stance on the issue was, “Not Bloody Likely” – VWoA and this Customer agreed to $5000.00 as a settlement.
The sharp (and conscientious) Tech at our Denver VW dealership thoroughly examined our new TDI with the people at VWAG technical Line in collaboration. Their findings were the vehicle was within all specs and that the Uber cold DSG was the culprit; The condition was nothing new to the German Tech line I was told ~ “A significantly cold DSG impedes the (TDI emphasis) starting sequence below the threshold of RPM needed for compression ignition to occur. Okay, what to do? Heater’s you say… this open’s up a larger discussion, not at all mentioned on the VWoA new car Monroney Label.
http://www.espar.com , http://www.webasto.us both makes self-contained engine heaters and by virtue of proximity would heat the DSG.
It should be noted these style heaters are VWAG / Audi etc factory options in Europe. VW of America suggested a third party install – yet another discussion entirely; warranty, EPA, third party installer hacks up my new car, etc. Make no mistake; the installation is open heart surgery, fuel lines, interior controls, etc. Now as before, the simple extension cord tethered engine heaters are an option, if not archaistic in a modern diesel car; In North America and only offered in Canada there is now a VW factory (extension cord type) engine heater. Go figure.
In the end, 6sp manual or 6sp DSG – depends how “cold” you wanna get. The DSG/cold condition is real, just ask VWAG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sggBOozUBTUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdFtVN7T0m0
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