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Author:  flman [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

This may be old news, but new to me, it seems the DPFs have killed a bunch of Cat engines and they had no other choice then to get out of the game.

http://www.dieselnet.com/news/2010/08cat.php

http://www.dieselnet.com/news/2008/06cat.php

Author:  warp2diesel [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

Don't get me wrong, the Acid Head Hippies in the EPA who are cooking up regulations based upon Junk Science should be charged with Fraud, convicted, sent to Federal Prison and us Diesel owners should be able to make contributions to the prison tattoo artist so they could decorate the backsides of the Acid Head Hippies. As far as I am concerned the EPA Acid Head Hippies treat Diesel owners as bad as the Taliban treats women :furious: :furious:

Now that my Acid Head Hippie/EPA/Junk Science Fraud rant is over. As bad as the DPF is, it is pointing out some of the issues that Diesel engines have, many of them caused by oppressive Bean Counter Tyrants who hold the power over the Engineers preventing them from doing the job right the first time.

According to the Amzoil presentation I watched on You Tube, Caterpillar is in denial about their leaky injectors. Leaky injectors cause fuel economy to drop along with performance, plus carbon up the engine. Of course some of the carbon clogs up the DPF resulting in more frequent regen cycles. Onthehunt, stated a few months ago that Navistar will buy Caterpillar lower ends (maybe long blocks) and hang on their injection system with the controls. Caterpillar and Navistar have been buddies for a long time and slap each other's name plates on the engines they sell.

Another issue that is coming to light thanks to the DPF, is fuel aeration. Weather caused by vacuum leaks, foaming, or from dissolved air in the fuel; any aeration in the fuel causes the timing to retard and the spray pattern of the injectors to be screwed up resulting in poor combustion. Poor combustion results more frequent DPF clogging requiring more frequent regen cycles. More frequent regen cycles on engines that use the injectors do a post injection to fire up the DPF instead of having the extra injector in front of the DPF, dump about ~2 quarts of raw fuel into the oil. Amzoil does not like having unhappy customers, dug into the case, and brought this to light. Why did the Diesel engine manufacturers do the post injection trick instead of doing it right like some (most?) of the ORT trucks are doing and Duramax just started doing? The Acid Head Hippies in the EPA did not give any lead time on the '07 emissions regulations, that is why Jeep dropped out of the US market in '07 and the German companies took a sabbatical on selling diesel engines in the us for '07 ('08) until they resumed selling BlueTech.
There are fuel additives that help reduce fuel aeration on the market that work and reduce the DPF regen frequency. If I had one of these units and had to keep the DPF (many have bypass pipes installed with trick sensors) going, I would use a fuel additives to reduce aeration, plus I would have a good lift pump to pre-pressurize the fuel (force out bubbles), some type of air separator, try to have a way to get rid of the post injection, and go with an injector in front of the DPF.

Author:  flman [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

Warp, that sounds way too complex, maybe it would be easier and cheaper to retire the acid head hippies, and CARB and the EPA would change over night. :-)r

Author:  warp2diesel [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

flman wrote:
Warp, that sounds way too complex, maybe it would be easier and cheaper to retire the acid head hippies, and CARB and the EPA would change over night. :-)r


The LSD Acid damaged the DNA of all of their descendants, we will never get rid of them. In prison, they can't reproduce with their own kind so the contaminated DNA will be diluted. :-)r :-)r

Author:  ridenby [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

They aren't going anywhere as long as people equate black smoke with power. When diesels grow up and act like they have some brains then,maybe EPA will get off your back. Black smoke,as much as I love it,is a waste of fuel ,air,time.

Author:  Sir Sam [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:06 pm ]
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warp2diesel wrote:
Now that my Acid Head Hippie/EPA/Junk Science Fraud rant is over.


Is it really? Because I've gotten sick of you pulling out that same diatribe every other post. Now that you've said that for about the 3000th time on the forum your rant better be over.

I can't be the only one getting sick of seeing the same $h!t from you every other post, if you wanna b!tch more like that take it to off topic, I'm tired of seeing it here.

Author:  warp2diesel [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

Sir Sam wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Now that my Acid Head Hippie/EPA/Junk Science Fraud rant is over.


Is it really? Because I've gotten sick of you pulling out that same diatribe every other post. Now that you've said that for about the 3000th time on the forum your rant better be over.

I can't be the only one getting sick of seeing the same $h!t from you every other post, if you wanna b!tch more like that take it to off topic, I'm tired of seeing it here.

:goink: :goink:

Author:  warp2diesel [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

ridenby wrote:
They aren't going anywhere as long as people equate black smoke with power. When diesels grow up and act like they have some brains then,maybe EPA will get off your back. Black smoke,as much as I love it,is a waste of fuel ,air,time.


The end of the era of putting out black smoke started in 1989, 22 years ago. Wasting fuel and putting out black smoke instead of torque is stupid to say the least. Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid. Using Junk Science to justify Laws and regulations is also Very Very Stupid. We need sensible people writing and controlling the regulations, not people with an agenda that will make both businesses and then State and Local Governments go bankrupt.

Caterpillar screwed up as pointed out by the articles flman linked to, let the other business bring justice, not the EPA.

Author:  TJ2 [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:32 am ]
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Sir Sam wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Now that my Acid Head Hippie/EPA/Junk Science Fraud rant is over.


Is it really? Because I've gotten sick of you pulling out that same diatribe every other post. Now that you've said that for about the 3000th time on the forum your rant better be over.

I can't be the only one getting sick of seeing the same $h!t from you every other post, if you wanna b!tch more like that take it to off topic, I'm tired of seeing it here.


You're not the only one sick of it.

Author:  flman [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

TJ2 wrote:

You're not the only one sick of it.


Yeah, lets all be sick of it and wave the white flag to an illegitimate organization. Just bend over and dig deep in you pockets for every thing you need to buy, cause it is all moved by a disgusting diesel in the eyes of CARB.

Today is a special day for CARB. Today 4/25/11 is the day the fight to abolish this acid head hippy organization http://killcarb.org/2011041903-CEU.html

And don't forget to put air in your tires, it is a CRIME! http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=jhbgnedab ... k3_KAKgYMr

Author:  Joe Romas [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:55 am ]
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WARP puts interesting twists on his posts and does not give up :BANANA:
Even a dog can be trained to roll over and play dead but WARP keeps the faith :jester:
Ignoring a problem will never make it go away :banghead:

Author:  onthehunt [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

This is old news but the lawsuit is still going on. I know my company is part of it. It's more than just the DPF's. Many cam and valve failures with the C-13. Also had a broken crank last week. Not a good engine IMHO.

Author:  JL Rockies [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

Why is this in the CRD section?

Author:  dieseldoesit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

Sir Sam wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Now that my Acid Head Hippie/EPA/Junk Science Fraud rant is over.


Is it really? Because I've gotten sick of you pulling out that same diatribe every other post. Now that you've said that for about the 3000th time on the forum your rant better be over.

I can't be the only one getting sick of seeing the same $h!t from you every other post, if you wanna b!tch more like that take it to off topic, I'm tired of seeing it here.

Agreed, even Sir Isaac Newton is getting tired of it...

Author:  audiboy86 [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

JL Rockies wrote:
Why is this in the CRD section?

Umm good question but here now nothing any of us can really do atleats it is diesel related.

Author:  dieseldoesit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:01 am ]
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warp2diesel wrote:
Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid.

You have a source for this? Are you sure that you aren't mistaken in the "6.9 times" to include vehicle emissions in the agriculture section as well as NOx?

NOx seems to be mainly formed only during high temperatures... ie combustion..

Author:  Joe Romas [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

dieseldoesit wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid.

You have a source for this? Are you sure that you aren't mistaken in the "6.9 times" to include vehicle emissions in the agriculture section as well as NOx?

NOx seems to be mainly formed only during high temperatures... ie combustion..



Just Google "Agriculture NOX" :SOMBRERO:

Author:  dieseldoesit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

Joe Romas wrote:
Just Google "Agriculture NOX" :SOMBRERO:
So you couldn't find anything either.. aye?

Author:  ridenby [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

http://www.google.com/search?q=agricult ... =firefox-a

Didn't read any of this,just putting it up.

Author:  warp2diesel [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

When you put in the right request Google responds.
Instead of posting a link, I am providing the table:

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BTW any legislation that is pointed at Diesels can effect our CRDs.
True the US Government can't pass Ex-Post Facto legislation or regulations, but they can impose regulations that make the ownership not Economical like they have done in parts of Europe. For example, my son will be happy to let some one else pay his Diesel Road Tax he pays for owning a Diesel to the Dutch Government. Of course if he installed a DPF or a BlueTech engine, and hired the right Dutch lawyer, he could get out of paying the Diesel Road Tax. With the Highly Intelligent Elected Officials we have in DC, they are just as capable of translating and copying any law from any language so they can spend more quality time with their constituents and spending their money. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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