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 Post subject: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:17 am 
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Greetings Lost crew. To be honest, 2 months ago I had no clue this diesel existed. I was immediately intrigued and I spent the next weeks doing research, a lot of research. Yes, I've read the horror stories on the Lib. CRD but it overall I could tell there a lot of happy folks out there. Ok, short story long. After searching craigslist, dealer listings and ebay I found an 05 Liberty in CA. The price was right because it had a salvaged title. Though I had serious doubts and concerns, I took a leap of faith, purchased the vehicle and flew from Montana to central CA. I met the guy at the airport, shook his hand and took the keys to the Jeep. YIKES!!

Needless to say I was very nervous taking this Jeep under these circumstances. On top of it all ,I was driving across the barren lands of Nevada, up and over serious mountain passes 1,200 miles to Montana.

Overall, the Jeep was awesome. It drove great, not the most comfortable for long hauls but everything seems sound and great for the most part...

I am really looking forward to having this truck. I need the towing torque because I pull trailers from time to time. I need the 4wd because of MT. I need the MPG because we do a lot of driving around here. I also have to say I love the sound and it's unique style. I especially like the sound of the turbo when it winds up. This thing is a little goat. It almost feels like the back end hunches up when I put on the gas! So far so good.

Diesel mechanics are around but the waiting time and $$ is going to break me. Especially if there are things I could do my self...

I have concerns and your input would seriously help.

1). I have an oily coating in my engine compartment. A fine film of oil on the plastic guard... (too much oil?)

2). I would like to clean my EGR, the MAP sensor, and modify all that I can that one should do with their Lib. CRD. But for some reason I cannot find the EGR. I've seen all sorts of pics and I just cant place it when I look in the compartment of my rig. If someone could send pics of the whole engine, then show a progression of pics that lead up to the EGR sensor, I would soooo appreciate it. (I feel it is a little dirty because I get hesitation in the turbo and sometimes it sputters at around 50 mph)

3). I read in other posts that the dipstick oil guage is off. When it reads full it is actually too full. True?
What kind of oil should I use?

4). What else should I do? Follow the Noobe blog I reckon..

5). Is there a place to get a manual for this rig, for the engine in particular?

6). A little patience. I am new to the diesel concept. I am a quick learner, and I am fairly mechanically competent. However, to me diesels look like a mix between a time machine, a steam farm contraption, and a motor for a space ship.

Bottom line, I really like this Jeep. I grew up with a '58 Willies which I am sure is still running.


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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:19 am 
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Someone should move this too the CRD Section.


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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:21 pm 
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Sorry. I just did. Learning the process here.


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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:59 am 
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RED_KJ_666 wrote:
Someone should move this too the CRD Section.


That would require a mod and .... well...

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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:54 pm 
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It's already in the CRD section and my previous reply is below

Best place to start is read and follow the NOOB guide as many of your questions are answered there. Other comments:
1. 5W-40 6.3 qts with Wix 51516 filter or 7 qts with larger Wix 51515 Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel or ESP or Shell Rotella T6 Full Synthetic - equivalent filters or synthetic diesel rated oil are ok. I know the dip stick is off but don't have first hand knowledge of where the mark should be yet.
2. Transmission fluid ATF+4 only - as with antifreeze FSMs are inconsistent. Service fill seems to be 8qts while full fill is more like 14qts or more.
3. Antifreeze HOAT only - Xerex G-05 or Mopar, not Prestone or other "universal" - drain as much old fluid as you can and add 6qts of new undiluted antifreeze and do the remaining fill with water to get to at least 50/50 - the manuals are inconsistent on the coolant system capacity and no one has yet found a simple full system flush method (I have an idea that's yet to be tried) although you can to multiple (6-7) fill, briefly run engine, drain, repeat cycles which will pretty much get all the old antifreeze out of the system.
4. NOOB site has links to the manuals although the 2005 FSM is missing some date in Section 7 and lacks the diagnostic manuals (I found copies and have sent them to Sir Sam to post when he gets time - PM me with an email address if you want them sooner); the 2006 has the diagnostic stuff but most figures lack the captions found in the 2005 manual. Hence I tend to use both.
5. You can use a standard engine degreaser to clean your engine but only use a low pressure water rinse. High pressure tends to put water in electical connections with bad results.
6. Others will have a better answer but the EGR seems to be somewhat behind the engine and toward the passenger side from the fuel filter head. As I understand it's a pain in the you know what to remove to clean. The preferred method seems to be an "italian" cleaning; engine temp to operating; hard acceleration up an on ramp or slight grade which produces a lot of smoke; repeat as needed to reduce smoke cloud. GDE ECU tune largely turns the EGR off so you can forget about it, I have.
7. Be sure you don't have the potentially leaky fuel filter head. See http://www.greendieselengineering.com/f ... st/76.page
8. Temp gauge should point straight up or no more than 1 tic left of straight up. An lower after a 5 mile drive normal (not fridged and not AZ summer) means your thermostat is failing open or more likely opening too soon.
9. timing belt replacement time is 100,000 miles and must be done in a timely manner. This is an iterference engine so if the belts let go engine interior parts meet and greet each other with potentially bad results.

Oh I'll say it again read the NOOB guide.

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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:50 pm 
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JL Rockies wrote:
That would require a mod and .... well...

Sorry..I was distracted reading your other rants... :goink:

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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:55 pm 
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tonycrd wrote:
JL Rockies wrote:
That would require a mod and .... well...

Sorry..I was distracted reading your other rants... :goink:

:ROTFL: :-)r :ROTFL: :-)r

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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:49 pm 
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ridenby wrote:
tonycrd wrote:
JL Rockies wrote:
That would require a mod and .... well...

Sorry..I was distracted reading your other rants... :goink:

:ROTFL: :-)r :ROTFL: :-)r


Yea they may look like rants! : ) Just excited to have a CRD. However, if I wanted a gasser I would just keep my Tacoma, not a jeep, and there would be no rants! :SOMBRERO: :ROTFL: :dizzy: :frankie: :pepper: :BANANA:


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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:50 am 
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Welcome to the CRD world!
My father had an old Willies military jeep. They just keep on running. 8)
I would be concerned with the source of the oil in the engine compartment.

Shortly after I bought my CRD I met two other CRD owners who were both using AMSOIL. Neither were dealers, they just like the product. So I looked into it and have been using AMSOIL 5W-40 European Engine Oil ever since. I live in upstate NY, the Jeep is outside and have used the block heater once always starts, even on really cold days to my surprise. I changed the oil filter at time of oil change at 25,000 miles using the AMSOIL Absolute Efficiency Oil Filter number EAO34. I'm a little over 110,000 Mi. and would like to ad a by-pass filter if I could find a good place for it. At the appropriate service intervals I replaced the drive train fluids to AMSOIL.

Because the Liberty CRDs came with aluminum oil pans, it’s very easy to over tighten the drain plug. To rule this out and ease oil change intervals in the future, I added a Fumoto drain valve. By simply lifting the lever and giving it a quarter of a turn, you can drain the crankcase without the need for tools.

Montana is doing a fair amount of biodiesel production. You may want to look into this.

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 Post subject: Re: New-Used CRD In Montana
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:05 pm 
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Hey thank you very much for the reply. Yes, I'm not sure what the oil film is. It's just real light. When I get a chance I will do a thorough run through on all my lines, filters, glow plugs, turbo etc... I have to say I was pretty nervous to buy this rig because it was 1,200 miles away from home. It got me home great! It feels like a solid rig. Has a bit of a European feel. Perhaps because of the diesel factor, yet other than the back window latch rattle (I've known this in Jeeps ever since I can remember!), the rig feels tight.

When I got home I had a nerve wracking experience of the Jeep feeling like a wheel was going to fall off. Loud grinding sounds with a slight wobble. I thought "yup, I've been duped". I took it in and the sway arm needed replacing. Whew a relief there.

As far as bio-diesel. I actually missed a workshop here at the college the same day I was driving back with the CRD! I've been in contact with folks and have a friend that is ready to go. So I look forward to making our own.

Right now, I really wish to maximize mpg. Though I live the torque, power and 4wd, I really want to justify this rig. As you will see here over the summer, there are going to be some auto's coming out with some serious mpg's. So I will keep reading posts, and taking any advice as to making this truck run well and maximize mileage.

Have a great weekend. Thanks again.


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