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Author:  Smacker [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:  KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
There has been mention of testers for these glow plugs. Has there been any feedback on results. I found them available at Dieselglowplug.com. Set of 4 for $147.70. They are spec 11volt double filament and sound like they use them OEM controller. has anyone tried or heard about these?
Author:  papaindigo [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
Not the same thing. See viewtopic.php?f=5&t=62346&p=690168&hilit=tester#p690168 The plugs being tested are 7v same as stock. I believe GDE is one of the testers but I've not heard anything on testing other than what's on this string.
Author:  Radman [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
I will be installing my test plugs from ECTNO this weekend and will reply if any issues. However I do not anticipate any problems.
Author:  Glend [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
I have a set of those glow plugs for testing as well but haven't gotten around to installing them yet. Might wait for some more feedback before I do.
Author:  GreenDieselEngineering [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
We have been running with the Etecno 7 volt metallic glow plugs (GX3123) for a couple weeks now. No issues to report, but the weather is not cold enough yet to fully determine the plugs capability. The new plug is the same length as the stock ceramic, so protrusion into the cylinder head is correct. The Etecno plug also has similar resistance to a Bosch Ceramic, so no check engine light and the diagnostic function works correctly. At this time they are acting like a drop in replacement.
Author:  Smacker [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
Thanks for the heads up. I have got to do something soon, 1GP down and three to go. I don't like running the dead one around with more problems lurking..................
Author:  Squeeto [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
Glend wrote:
I have a set of those glow plugs for testing as well but haven't gotten around to installing them yet. Might wait for some more feedback before I do.

Feedback:
:jester: How about sending them to me :mrgreen:

Smacker wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I have got to do something soon, 1GP down and three to go. I don't like running the dead one around with more problems lurking..................


Me too. I did this over a week ago:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63113

The days add up quickly while you wait. If you decide to go this temporary route with a cheaper plug (like the metal Champion CH 180), the next guy may benefit from a few measurements and pics.
Author:  CATCRD [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
GreenDieselEngineering wrote:
We have been running with the Etecno 7 volt metallic glow plugs (GX3123) for a couple weeks now. No issues to report, but the weather is not cold enough yet to fully determine the plugs capability. The new plug is the same length as the stock ceramic, so protrusion into the cylinder head is correct. The Etecno plug also has similar resistance to a Bosch Ceramic, so no check engine light and the diagnostic function works correctly. At this time they are acting like a drop in replacement.


Do you recommend using some antisieze on the glow plug threads in these aluminum heads?
Do you see any problems running a mix of Etecno and stock ceramic plugs?
Author:  warp2diesel [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
CATCRD wrote:
GreenDieselEngineering wrote:
We have been running with the Etecno 7 volt metallic glow plugs (GX3123) for a couple weeks now. No issues to report, but the weather is not cold enough yet to fully determine the plugs capability. The new plug is the same length as the stock ceramic, so protrusion into the cylinder head is correct. The Etecno plug also has similar resistance to a Bosch Ceramic, so no check engine light and the diagnostic function works correctly. At this time they are acting like a drop in replacement.


Do you recommend using some antisieze on the glow plug threads in these aluminum heads?
Do you see any problems running a mix of Etecno and stock ceramic plugs?


When I mixed glow plugs on other diesel engines in the past, the engine would not run as smooth for the first few seconds. After that, I did not notice any problem.
Of course, mixing well worn but still OK glow plugs with new ones that are the same make and number can cause the engine to run not as smooth for the first few seconds too.
It would be an interesting test to run a mix of ceramics ans metal tip glow plugs.
Author:  dirtmover [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
Glend wrote:
I have a set of those glow plugs for testing as well but haven't gotten around to installing them yet. Might wait for some more feedback before I do.


Haha, this is funny. You took these plugs so that you could test them :roll:. It's nice to get a "free" set of plugs but maybe if you have decided that you would rather wait for someone else to take the risk testing them you should consider sending them back to Etecno or pass them on to someone who is prepared to test them. Not me I might add.
Author:  Smacker [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
I sent an email to Etecno regarding availability of the GX3123 plug and their response:

Steven good morning,
test is still in progress, but the glow plugs are doing very well, untill now at least, but you said that, winter's approaching and it will do the real test.
Anyway thanks to the initial satisfaction and the very high chance the test will end soonA we're also planning a small productionA on november, by the end of november. I don't know if you can hold untill that date, probably not so original glow plugs are your only choice right now.
Regards.
Cristiano Bondani

With this being said, If any member would like to part with a used oem 7 volt GP or a set of testers I am interested so I don't risk additional damage until the end of Nov when the new plugs may become available. Please PM me for possible solution, Thank you in advance for your help!!!! Smacker (Steven McIntyre) 240-727-7323
Author:  CATCRD [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
dirtmover wrote:
Glend wrote:
I have a set of those glow plugs for testing as well but haven't gotten around to installing them yet. Might wait for some more feedback before I do.


Haha, this is funny. You took these plugs so that you could test them :roll:. It's nice to get a "free" set of plugs but maybe if you have decided that you would rather wait for someone else to take the risk testing them you should consider sending them back to Etecno or pass them on to someone who is prepared to test them. Not me I might add.


Good observation. :lol: Does it even freeze in Sydney? Probably not, now that it's getting to be summer there. Not exactly the best glow plug proving ground.
Author:  MrMopar64 [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
How is anyone validating that these glow plugs operate at the proper temperature and, with that said, how does the operating temperature of these plugs compare to the Bosch ones?
Author:  irollgen4s [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
I got one for my p01261(GP #1) and replaced it with the last one of these they had left to give out. It went right in, no issues, and has been working perfect since then. Codes went away within three start ups, and my colder(40-50 degree right now) starts have been much better then they were prior to the GP. If i had all four im sure i'd be able to chime in abit better, but i will be buying at least 8 when they are released.. enough to live out the rest of the motor :ROTFL:
Author:  Radman [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
Installed the Etecno's on the weekend. No issues aother than accessing the 3rd plug requires removing lots of hardware.... Took the EGR and intake out and cleaned them at the same time.
No CEL's and Truck started fine this morning at just above freezing point.
Author:  dirtmover [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
MrMopar64 wrote:
How is anyone validating that these glow plugs operate at the proper temperature and, with that said, how does the operating temperature of these plugs compare to the Bosch ones?


These are probably fairly minor questions in the average owners mind compared with:

- Does it start quickly, reliably and smoothly.
- Is there a risk of the tip falling apart causing catastrophic engine damage.
- Is it a direct drop in replacement for the original or does it require a complete new set of plugs, a new controller and ECM flash.

Looks like they are already ahead compared with the first two miserable attempts from Chrysler :dizzy:

Going back to the original question I'm sure Etecno1 can answer these (http://www.etecno1.it/index.php?cPath=2)

100% of our products are double tested by two automatic in line machines powered by optical pyrometers, this means we test their performances one by one, while each batch must pass very hard lifespan tests according to engine manufacturers testing protocols.
Author:  MrMopar64 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
A metallic plug operates at a different temperature limit than a ceramic one, so the answer to all of your three statements of quick/smooth starting, damage, and compatibility all revolve around if they're operating at the proper temperature and the capability of the "existing" ECU calibration to operate them at such.

What most owners don't realize is that if these metallic plugs operate too hot with the existing cal, then you'll suffer issues 2 and 3 in your list. If the glow plugs are too cold, you'll face issue 1 and 3 in your list.

I will wait to reserve judgement on the statement about "tests according to engine OEM testing protocols" until I see a picture of a glow plug instrumented with a thermocouple and the validation of the temperature at all ambient conditions, and ran some many hrs of durability test in an engine.
Author:  Glend [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
dirtmover wrote:
Glend wrote:
I have a set of those glow plugs for testing as well but haven't gotten around to installing them yet. Might wait for some more feedback before I do.


Haha, this is funny. You took these plugs so that you could test them :roll:. It's nice to get a "free" set of plugs but maybe if you have decided that you would rather wait for someone else to take the risk testing them you should consider sending them back to Etecno or pass them on to someone who is prepared to test them. Not me I might add.


This is not a case of getting a free set of plugs. I have had no problems with the original equipment ones and could just sit and watch.
I am happy to install and test them in this environment, once I know they are not going to strip the treads or hit the cylinders - which now seems to be confirmed. As far as testing in and around Sydney, no we don't even get frost in the winter, and its actually heading into summer now so no chance to stress them with sub-zero temps. But, what we can do (as well as our european compatriots) is confirm that these plugs work with Export Model wiring looms and system setup, which is different to the US version.

I will be returning the plugs to Cristiano when they produce the production versions.
Author:  Squeeto [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Ectno1 #GX123
Glend wrote:
I will be returning the plugs to Cristiano when they produce the production versions.


Did Cristiano request the pre-production plugs be returned or are you just worried that they may be inferior?
Author:  warp2diesel [ Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ CRD Glo plugs Etecno1 #GX123
MrMopar64 wrote:
A metallic plug operates at a different temperature limit than a ceramic one, so the answer to all of your three statements of quick/smooth starting, damage, and compatibility all revolve around if they're operating at the proper temperature and the capability of the "existing" ECU calibration to operate them at such.

What most owners don't realize is that if these metallic plugs operate too hot with the existing cal, then you'll suffer issues 2 and 3 in your list. If the glow plugs are too cold, you'll face issue 1 and 3 in your list.

I will wait to reserve judgement on the statement about "tests according to engine OEM testing protocols" until I see a picture of a glow plug instrumented with a thermocouple and the validation of the temperature at all ambient conditions, and ran some many hrs of durability test in an engine.


The BTUs that going into the combustion chamber to heat up the fuel air mix to the combustion point is what counts, not the surface temp of the glow plugs. If anything, a metal surface (a heat conductor) would transfer the heat better than a ceramic surface (a heat insulator). In theory, a metal tipped plug would send more heat into the combustion chamber and less into the cylinder head casting where the glow plugs screw into the head (might be why some of the ceramic glow plugs get stuck). Visit the TDI forums, the TDI PD owners with the 7 Volt metal tipped glow plugs with the Rocket Chip tune that has the enhanced glow plug flash are much happier than those who went through the 5 Volt Dealer reflash BS.
I see no reason why Ectnol would not be totally aware of these simple Laws of Newtonian Physics. Perhaps they were smart enough to study the VW glow plug fiasco History so they could come up with a solution so we don't have to repeat the History. In my opinion, Chrysler is foolish to go down the same path as VW did with the 5 volt/reflash glow plug fiasco. :banghead: :banghead:
For me, I hope Ectnol has Google Check Out capability so I can order a couple sets quickly when they are available.
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