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Author:  racertracer [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Here is a fixer upper.
You have to be brave to bring this one back to life.


2006 JEEP LIBERTY 4X4 FOR PARTS ONLY ! BEST OFFER (ESSEX JCT)

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Date: 2012-01-01, 2:43PM EST
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2006 JEEP LIBERTY 4X4 , DIESEL , AUTO , LOADED , FLOOD DAMAGE FROM VT . EXELLENT BODY , SELLING FOR PARTS ONLY .
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Author:  Siardi [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
It probably has a salvage title, hence the "for parts only".....
Author:  racertracer [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
Find out
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
Siardi wrote:
It probably has a salvage title, hence the "for parts only".....


salvage title still means it can be made road legal again.

I would worry it has no title, also wonder whats actually wrong with it, I hate when people don't include even just a little information in the ad.
Author:  Siardi [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
Could have been totaled by the insurance due to the flood damage, if that's the case, title or not it would cost more to bring back to life than what it was worth before the flood.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
Siardi wrote:
Could have been totaled by the insurance due to the flood damage, if that's the case, title or not it would cost more to bring back to life than what it was worth before the flood.


If it had no title that would be the case, not having a title is almost always a death sentence for a vehicle.

Now bringing it back to life, that would entirely depend on how much it cost you to purchase it. Rant incoming:

(I'm not talking about anyone in particular here:)
I don't know how many times I have talked to someone who has a wrecked CRD or a CRD with a bad engine, I ask them what they need/want to get for it, and I get a typical response of something like, "I could let it go for $5000")

Right, so you have a vehicle thats 6-7 years old, with 100k miles, a bad engine, needs tires and other misc things too, and you want $5000 for it? A new used engine will run you $4500 all day long online. So not even counting labor time or ANYTHING else thats $9500 right there, when for $10,000 you could go out and buy the same vehicle and make sure there were not going to be any surprises.

So take that CRD above, lets say it has a bad engine and a salvage title, roadworthy with a salvage title it would probably be worth about $7000, thats compared to the $10000 it would be worth with a clean title. So lets assume it needs an engine because thats about the highest cost item it could need, ie a worst case scenario. $7000-4500 = 2500. Now lets consider the costs of the taxes/tiles transfer fees, plus a few incidentals its going to need (fluids, window regulartor, maybe tires, etc). $1000. So $7000-4500-1000 = $1500.

So the seller goes $1500 is insultingly low! I can't take that! Yet at the same time if you paid $1500 for it you would only break even on selling it, after risking nearly $7000 cash and months of your time to buy it, fix it, and sell it. Thats not even counting if you have transportation costs and all sorts of other things that nickle and dime you to death on a project like that.

So to even make $1000 off of it, you would need to get the thing for $500, you think thats gonna happen? I sure don't.
Author:  papaindigo [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:04 pm ]
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Sir Sam certainly knows the hassle and cost of bringing a CRD back from the dead so to speak; amazing what folks think their wad of currently unusable metal is worth. However, I'd be a little less pessimistic about the lack of a title having successfully titled a 1965 Mustang (body only in kudzu patch); a 1956 MGA (mostly all there but no title); and a 1946 Dodge coupe (same as MGA). The Dodge was no big deal as it was a Georgia vehicle that predated the need for a title so all I had to do was get Georgia DMV to cough up a letter to the effect that no title was required for a vehicle of that date and it was not listed as stolen. The other 2 involved a return receipt letter to the last owner's address on the title which came back undeliverable; certification from the appropriate DMV that it was not stolen; and in the case of the Mustang a note from the lien holding bank that given the condition of the vehicle they no longer cared who had title.

Not saying it's easy to title an untitled vehicle just that depending on the state(s) involved it can be done with a small amount of effort.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
papaindigo wrote:
Sir Sam certainly knows the hassle and cost of bringing a CRD back from the dead so to speak; amazing what folks think their wad of currently unusable metal is worth. However, I'd be a little less pessimistic about the lack of a title having successfully titled a 1965 Mustang (body only in kudzu patch); a 1956 MGA (mostly all there but no title); and a 1946 Dodge coupe (same as MGA). The Dodge was no big deal as it was a Georgia vehicle that predated the need for a title so all I had to do was get Georgia DMV to cough up a letter to the effect that no title was required for a vehicle of that date and it was not listed as stolen. The other 2 involved a return receipt letter to the last owner's address on the title which came back undeliverable; certification from the appropriate DMV that it was not stolen; and in the case of the Mustang a note from the lien holding bank that given the condition of the vehicle they no longer cared who had title.

Not saying it's easy to title an untitled vehicle just that depending on the state(s) involved it can be done with a small amount of effort.


Antique vehicles are usually much easier. I have a friend who has been sitting on an 04 caddy in perfect shape for 2 years now trying to get a title for it.

It's very difficult to get a title unless your a tow driver and can put a lien and claim on it.
Author:  Siardi [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
I talked to a guy who run a salvage yard in Louisiana for 20 years. He told me they get cars like this all day long from the insurance companies for anywhere from $400 to $800 and since he had the tow trucks he was the first to get the offer to buy. Now, he also told me he won't let a car like that go hole because they make way too much when selling the parts separate.
Author:  papaindigo [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
Antiques may be easier but that 1965 Mustang wasn't exactly an antique back in 1979 when I did it. That said vehicle age, state you and the vehicle are in, and more recent regulations may make things more or less difficult. I certainly would not have ever bought an :SOMBRERO: untitled vehicle if I wasn't pretty clear on what needed to be done to get a title.

The Mustang, which I hauled out of a kudzu patch, and the other 2 were private purchases. Trying to extract a vehicle to rebuild from a junk yard is a waste of time unless you have connections.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
papaindigo wrote:
Antiques may be easier but that 1965 Mustang wasn't exactly an antique back in 1979 when I did it.


No but the information about titling it is antique now - not to sound harsh, but anecdotal evidence from 33 years ago doesn't help today.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
Siardi wrote:
Now, he also told me he won't let a car like that go hole because they make way too much when selling the parts separate.


This. Selling a door at $400 each plus all your other stuff add up quick to recoup your costs. The problem is you have to be willing to sit on inventory for years and have the storage space to stock it.
Author:  ATXKJ [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:10 pm ]
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FYI - Sam's calculation assumes the Engine is dead and most of the body is in good shape.
for those who haven't dealt with a Flooding - I'm not sure that's the right calculation.
unless the engine was running when it went into the water - it's got a fair chance of recovering (running is dead - hydrolock - dead engine)

hard parts can normally take water - drain all fluids - clean - and they'll generally recover

However

The electronics will never recover. every joint, every connection, all the computers - will eventually die. it's galvanic corrosion - it's just a matter of time - you'd have to rewire everything - to have a chance........

it's way cheaper to sell it for parts.

(every couple of years Texas floods something, somewhere - and the cars get insurance scrapped and someone will try to recover and sell them - never ends well)
Author:  papaindigo [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
For what it's worth I've been thru the process of titling an untitled vehicle here in Florida 33 years ago; 20 years ago; and 10 years ago - just checked online and the process remains the same regardless of vehicle age or antique status. The only situation I know of where getting a title may be impossible is if the vehicle went thru the derelict motor vehicle certification and title cancellation process, apparently a junk yard thing, in which case the paperwork says the vehicle can never be titled again and must be parted out. Whether or not one can circumvent that situation or not I don't know.

What's salvagable from this vehicle if anything and whether or not it can be made road worthy is a mystery absent information. If I was to guess I'd mostly agree with ATXKJ having at least delt with sunken, not while running, boat motors.
Author:  BlackLibertyCRD [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
All of you need to take a closer look at the picture. There was muddy water running out of the door handles. With that in mind the only good this vehicle is worth is the outer body shell.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Here is a fixer upper.
ATXKJ wrote:
FYI - Sam's calculation assumes the Engine is dead and most of the body is in good shape.
for those who haven't dealt with a Flooding - I'm not sure that's the right calculation.
unless the engine was running when it went into the water - it's got a fair chance of recovering (running is dead - hydrolock - dead engine)

hard parts can normally take water - drain all fluids - clean - and they'll generally recover

However

The electronics will never recover. every joint, every connection, all the computers - will eventually die. it's galvanic corrosion - it's just a matter of time - you'd have to rewire everything - to have a chance........

it's way cheaper to sell it for parts.

(every couple of years Texas floods something, somewhere - and the cars get insurance scrapped and someone will try to recover and sell them - never ends well)


I used the $4500 dollar figure as a worst case scenario.

Galvanic corrosion only refers to when two dissimilar metals are in contact in the presence of an electrolyte, generally speaking, if the connectors are dried and cleaned, they will be fine, however other modules, BCM ACM etc, can get pretty messed up internally.

Regardless, if it had a good engine replacing every electronic control modules and wiring harness is still cheaper than replacing an engine, albeit more labor intensive.

Still, I'd give him $500 for it.
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