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Has anyone replaced there starter solenoid? If so, did you use ome replacment part or another brand? I am having trouble finding a starter, nevermind the solenoid. If anybody could help me trace down a used or new solenoid I would be super stoked. Thanks.

Peace,

Thomas

I was working underneath and learned an important lesson about disconnecting battery. I shorted my 2 foot ratchet extension between the body of the starter and a pipe running the same direction as the egr pipe. I tried to start the vehicle and there is only ticking at the starter. We, Father and myself, were able to jump start the motor outside the jeep. I figured it was the starter solenoid that may be preventing the jeep from starting when the starter is attatched to the jeep. If there is something else that may be an issue, I am all ears. Thanks.

Peace,

Thomas

I doubt that you can destroy a solenoid or a starter by shorting anything out....these things work on 12 volts in any case.

You probably blew a fuse or relay further upstream.....what year/model is your Jeep.....I can supply you with a circuit diagram for the relevant problem area.....and show you how to test the solenoid/starter both inside and outside the Jeep.

Billwill wrote:

I doubt that you can destroy a solenoid or a starter by shorting anything out....these things work on 12 volts in any case.

Probably the most simple item on ANY vehicle is the starter !! You guys are nuts saying that a starter is a complex item. I have yet to see one I could not repair myself.

The electrical component that may not be obvious is an in line fuse called a "fuseable link". It's usually a "wide spot" in the + cable lead from the battery to the starter. It's usually close to the battery end of the cable.

Author:	thomas04 [ Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Replace Starter Solenoid?
Has anyone replaced there starter solenoid? If so, did you use ome replacment part or another brand? I am having trouble finding a starter, nevermind the solenoid. If anybody could help me trace down a used or new solenoid I would be super stoked. Thanks. Peace, Thomas

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:11 pm ]
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Most of these newer starters you can't rebuild,or better yet there are no available rebuild kits and they make it almost impossible to rebuild without special tools. Better to keep looking for a complete starter.

Author:	Billwill [ Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:34 am ]
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thomas04 wrote: Has anyone replaced there starter solenoid? If so, did you use ome replacment part or another brand? I am having trouble finding a starter, nevermind the solenoid. If anybody could help me trace down a used or new solenoid I would be super stoked. Thanks. Peace, Thomas Why do you suspect that your solenoid is faulty?

Author:	Hoosier CRD [ Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:45 am ]
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These tractors are blessed with a Mitsubishi starter, one of the toughest brands around. I stongly suggest that you replace like with like, brand name wise. And yes, rebuilding is nigh impossible without the correct tools and replacement parts. Admittedly, a solenoid is a pretty easy switch, if it is in fact detachable. Question: Have you determined that you in fact have a starter problem? Many folks here are replacing the plunger, etc. in the column of late to repair starting issues.

Author:	thomas04 [ Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:32 pm ]
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I was working underneath and learned an important lesson about disconnecting battery. I shorted my 2 foot ratchet extension between the body of the starter and a pipe running the same direction as the egr pipe. I tried to start the vehicle and there is only ticking at the starter. We, Father and myself, were able to jump start the motor outside the jeep. I figured it was the starter solenoid that may be preventing the jeep from starting when the starter is attatched to the jeep. If there is something else that may be an issue, I am all ears. Thanks. Peace, Thomas

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Author:	geordi [ Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:50 pm ]
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Bet that ratchet has a nice blast mark on it now! I've done that once or twice too, usually on the alternator lead. Every once in a while I find the notched screwdriver or the pliers with the welded-on pivot nut and they remind me: don't work on live circuits. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Author:	Hoosier CRD [ Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:25 pm ]
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thomas04 wrote: I was working underneath and learned an important lesson about disconnecting battery. I shorted my 2 foot ratchet extension between the body of the starter and a pipe running the same direction as the egr pipe. I tried to start the vehicle and there is only ticking at the starter. We, Father and myself, were able to jump start the motor outside the jeep. I figured it was the starter solenoid that may be preventing the jeep from starting when the starter is attatched to the jeep. If there is something else that may be an issue, I am all ears. Thanks. Peace, Thomas Yeah, sounds like it's toast, dude. Go for one with a lifetime replacement warranty; CarQuest is typically a good source if you hasten to go OE from Mother Mopar.

Author:	Billwill [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:01 am ]
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I doubt that you can destroy a solenoid or a starter by shorting anything out....these things work on 12 volts in any case. You probably blew a fuse or relay further upstream.....what year/model is your Jeep.....I can supply you with a circuit diagram for the relevant problem area.....and show you how to test the solenoid/starter both inside and outside the Jeep.

Author:	thomas04 [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:20 pm ]
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Billwill thanks. I have a 2006 Sport. I am willing to give it a go, hopefully it is just a fuse.

Author:	Dennis MacGyver [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:43 am ]
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Billwill wrote: I doubt that you can destroy a solenoid or a starter by shorting anything out....these things work on 12 volts in any case. You probably blew a fuse or relay further upstream.....what year/model is your Jeep.....I can supply you with a circuit diagram for the relevant problem area.....and show you how to test the solenoid/starter both inside and outside the Jeep. Probably the most simple item on ANY vehicle is the starter !! You guys are nuts saying that a starter is a complex item. I have yet to see one I could not repair myself. The electrical component that may not be obvious is an in line fuse called a "fuseable link". It's usually a "wide spot" in the + cable lead from the battery to the starter. It's usually close to the battery end of the cable.

Author:	Billwill [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:37 am ]
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Dennis MacGyver wrote: Billwill wrote: I doubt that you can destroy a solenoid or a starter by shorting anything out....these things work on 12 volts in any case. You probably blew a fuse or relay further upstream.....what year/model is your Jeep.....I can supply you with a circuit diagram for the relevant problem area.....and show you how to test the solenoid/starter both inside and outside the Jeep. Probably the most simple item on ANY vehicle is the starter !! You guys are nuts saying that a starter is a complex item. I have yet to see one I could not repair myself. The electrical component that may not be obvious is an in line fuse called a "fuseable link". It's usually a "wide spot" in the + cable lead from the battery to the starter. It's usually close to the battery end of the cable. According to the circuit diagrams....the "fusable link" is inside the cable that runs directly from the alternator to the battery so yes you could blow that if you shorted the rear of the alternator to ground. This would only prevent the alternator from sending charge current to the battery but would have no effect on the starting action itself. If you short the large lug on the starter to ground then you are shorting the battery direct to ground and there is no fusable link in that section so you would probably fry the battery in this case.

Author:	thomas04 [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:46 pm ]
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Well the starter was tested today. Nothing wrong with starter. Guess I will look into ground and alternator power link. There has been an odd amount of build up on my negative over the past month and I wonder if this may also be a part of the problem. Thanks to all who have posted. Peace, Thomas

Author:	geordi [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:07 am ]
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Hmm.... Growth of a science project on the battery terminals usually indicates excessive gassing of the battery from too much charging, and / or a bad contact that is increasing the resistive heat load in the connection. Excessive charging could be because the voltage drop is too much, because of the bad cable connection. Check the ends of the cables where they enter the lugs, I've had problems in the past with those, they corrode INSIDE the end of the cable, as all the individual little wires turn green and stop conducting as easily - That could EASILY not transmit enough amperage to send the starter into work. You also could have easily toasted the battery if it had any protection on the plates, as you created a dead short with the wrench. That will cook the plates eventually, but the connection under the terminals on the battery can actually be quite small - it could easily have melted through, acting as a fusible link too, but one that can't be replaced. Try swapping the battery with a known-good, see if that changes anything. If not, check the two fuse boxes (engine and inside) and then try creating a second ground strap with some jumper cables from the negative terminal directly to the engine somewhere - if it starts then, your ground connection is crap. Replace as needed, I like to use 2 gauge cable direct to the body and the engine proper, from the negative terminal. Ground straps are notoriously cheap flat webbed copper, and the connections on the ends can be equally crap.

Author:	thomas04 [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:49 pm ]
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Thanks Jim. Will check that battery is still functional and attempt a second ground. If this leads to nowhere then I may be offer to a mechanic...duhhh!!

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Author:	thomas04 [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:53 pm ]
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What about this. I did change out my fan clutch the day the jeep would not start. Is it possible I turned the belt too much? Or anything along the lines that may cause my motor to not want to start??

Author:	Billwill [ Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:41 am ]
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You probably bumped something while changing the fan clutch. Jumper out the starter relay pins 30 and 87 and see if the engine turns over. You may have a broken ignition switch actuator, have a look at Squeetos' recent post below, I cannot post links from this small tablet at the moment!