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Anyone used Laser Tools 5211 for timing belt change?
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Author:  ebbnflow [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Anyone used Laser Tools 5211 for timing belt change?
Has anyone used this kit below to do their timing belt? Looks like you have to order it from the UK, but I found a place that will deliver to the US for about $140USD. I figured this kit with the Metal Nerd Sprocket Buster Tool for $42 in lieu of the VM1085 would allow me to procure all the necessary tools for this job for under $200. I am looking for anyone who has used this kit to give me some feedback on it.

Thanks.

Laser Tools 5211 Engine Timing Tool Kit Chrysler

Includes:
VM9660
VM1089
VM1053
VM1052

Does not include:
VM1085

See it here:
http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?item=7127&cat=702
Author:  papaindigo [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Anyone used Laser Tools 5211 for timing belt change?
I've seen links to this kit before but don't know that anyone in the US has used it. For what it's worth the cam pins 1052 & 1053 can be purchased for about $85 +shipping or can relatively easily be made by grinding down 2 hardware store bolts (dimensions and illustrations are posted on the forum); you don't need the flywheel pin 1089 as a long shank 6mm allen key will do (see 05 FSM for how to or the GDE timing belt how to) and in fact the threads in the housing tend to be so gummed up the tool won't thread in; the widget to hold the belt is relatively useless and if need be simple wood wedges or screwdrivers work fine; the tensioner wrench is handy but can be made with a flat piece of metal and a couple of bolts or use the interlocking allen keys as shown on that GDE post. As for the cam holding tool 1) you don't really need it for just the timing belt but 2) you do need it or something similar for the water pump as the cam pins won't stand the torque of removing/reinstalling the cam bolts. Absent the Miller tool some have use a TDI tool (http://www.beesvillebeefarm.com/jeep.html) while others have fabricated combinations of flat metal/angle iron/bolts to lock the cams in place.

All of this while witness marking everything just in case.
Author:  ebbnflow [ Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anyone used Laser Tools 5211 for timing belt change?
papaindigo,

Thanks for your response. I forgot about the 6mm Allen key in lieu of VM 1089. Thank you for refreshing my memory and saving me a few bucks. The metal nerd Sprocket buster is the tool used in the beeville bee farms write up. I will definitely be using that instead of the $300+ VM1085. Reading the beeville bee farms write up it also looks like that VM1052 and VM1053 are the same tool. I wonder if I can get away with buying 2 VM1052's since they are a little cheaper than the VM1053.
Author:  papaindigo [ Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anyone used Laser Tools 5211 for timing belt change?
Those 2 pins have slightly different dimensions; see viewtopic.php?f=98&t=72201 and it's important that the threads fully engage and the "tip" of each pin fully seat in the appropiate hole in each cam shaft. Hence I'm not at all sure I'd recommend saving the few bucks by trying to use 2 1052s. Might work just fine but if not it gets expensive.

In all honesty if you want to save the $s and have access to any sort of grinder (bench grinder or drill press with files) you might be better off making your own pins based on the posted dimensions. You can pull one of the cam pin hole plugs to get the thread size/pitch and purchase 2 bolts at your local hardware for probably under $1.00; cut them to length and then grind the tips as need be. The bee farms post shows grinding most of the threads off but I don't think that's needed although it does reduce the amount of "screwing in" one needs to do. I think correct length and full tip engagement are more critical and the way the tools are set full tip engagement is when the head of the tool is flush with the engine head hence why I think length is important.
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