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 Post subject: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:06 pm 
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Well, apparently (as previously discussed) the new Jeep Grand Cherokee will have a 3.0L Ecodiesel option. We still don't know the price point or package options required, but guessing Limited only if the previous NA offerings are any indicator....

This is that engine:

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Expected efficiency is 20/28 city/highway respectively with 420 lb-ft of torque.

It's a Compacted Graphite Iron Block (shocker!).

No Balance shaft, and a CHAIN TIMING DRIVE! (giggles insanely)

Oh here:

Producing 240 hp (179 kW) and 420 lb-ft (569 N·m ) of torque, the 3.0-liter EcoDiesel is capable of towing 7,400 pounds—more than any competitor’s gasoline V-8 equipped SUVs. With a 30% increase in fuel economy and a 56% increase in torque versus the Pentastar V-6 engine, the EcoDiesel achieves 21 mpg in the city and 30 mpg on the highway in 4x2 models. Full-time 4x4 models have fuel economy figures of 20 city and 28 highway.

The engine meets emissions standards for all 50 states. MultiJet II common-rail injection and Selective Catalyst Reduction (SCR) help this new engine achieve these results.

The 24-valve, dual-overhead-cam engine features a block and bed plate crafted from strong compacted graphite iron (CGI), which contributes to stiffness without penalizing performance.

The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel’s 60-degree cylinder banks enable more efficient packaging, while effectively balancing the potent inertia generated by torque-rich diesels.

A 1-4-2-5-3-6 firing order helps manage rotation so neatly it needs no balance shaft to deliver the required level of refinement. Further contributing to quieter performance, as well as optimal fuel economy and emissions reduction, is the clean diesel’s 2,000 bar common-rail fuel-injection system. Swirl-control intake ports benefit from a variable-geometry turbocharger and intercooler.

The new engine’s turbo is water-cooled to handle searing heat, while low-voltage ceramic glow plugs accommodate quicker cold-weather starts. Other key features and benefits include:

Finger-follower actuated valves with hydraulic adjusters
Chain-driven camshafts
Piston-cooling oil jets
Water-cooled exhaust-gas recirculation (EGR) for Tier II, Bin 5 and ULEV II compliance
B5 biofuel compatibility

New 8-speed. The new eight-speed transmission features a wide ratio spread, high numerical first-gear ratio, quick shifting and aggressive torque-converter lockup.

Fully electronic, the eight-speed automatic features on-the-fly shift map changing, with manual shifting capability and Electronic Range Select using steering-wheel paddle controls. More than 40 individual shift maps for specific conditions optimize shift quality and shift points for fuel economy, performance and drivability. The intelligent software takes into account variables including engine torque gradients, kick-down events, longitudinal and lateral acceleration, grade changes, friction detection and downshift detection to determine the appropriate shift map. Additional parameters integrated into the control strategy include vehicle speed control, electronic stability control interaction and temperature.

The transmission efficiency and wide ratio spread improve fuel economy by operating at a lower engine rpm in both city and highway environments. The addition of more gear ratios also helps reduce the gaps normally associated with upshifting and downshifting.

Gear changes are nearly imperceptible due to the evenly spaced gear steps between each gear ratio. Internally, the transmission has four gear sets and five shift elements (multi-disc clutches and brakes). Only two shift elements are open at any time. With fewer open shift elements, drag losses due to multiple parts rotating relative to one another are reduced, improving fuel efficiency.

Eco Mode. The 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee also features a new Eco Mode that contributes to its improved fuel economy. Eco Mode optimizes the Grand Cherokee transmission’s shift schedule and—in V-8 models—Fuel Saver Technology with cylinder deactivation as well as throttle sensitivity to maximize fuel economy. The Eco Mode also manages interactive deceleration fuel shut-off (IDFSO), which cuts fuel delivery when the vehicle is coasting to reduce fuel consumption.

In addition, the Eco Mode activates the vehicle’s air suspension system (if so equipped), lowering the Jeep Grand Cherokee to “Aero Ride Height” earlier to improve fuel economy.

Eco Mode is automatically engaged upon vehicle startup. A button on the center stack allows driver’s to disengage Eco Mode if more spirited performance is desired.


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:42 pm 
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Update on pricing: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/01/2014-jeep-grand-cherokee-pricing-leaked-diesel-costs-4500-premium.html

Sounds like a good engine, provided GDE and/or the aftermarket can cleanly mitigate the emissions hardware.

Banks also seems quite impressed with the design: http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1208dp_banks_vm_motori_630t_v6_diesel_engine/

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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:51 pm 
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I am also interested, but at that price, and can get a 3/4 ton Ram and tow a lot more. I guess I will make the decision when the time comes.

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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
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If I start saving now I could afford one used about the time the 2024's roll off the line. :-)r

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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:23 pm 
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also a VM engine

http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/00/index.jsp

one interesting note:

Each cylinder has a central direct injector with cooled EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) as an integral part of the cylinder heads.


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:37 pm 
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Hmmmm. $43,000 vs $56,000 for a BMW X5 335d. I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin' . . . .

Wonder if we could have Top Gear do a comparison, side by side?


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:44 pm 
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naturist wrote:
Hmmmm. $43,000 vs $56,000 for a BMW X5 335d. I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin' . . . .

Wonder if we could have Top Gear do a comparison, side by side?



before or after Banks gets through with it?????

(I don't think they play with BMW's)

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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:02 am 
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Have to wait to it's 6 years old . Sure looks good.


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:04 am 
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Also, one thing to keep in mind.....

our liberty's were either the CRD, or the terrible 3.7......

the new 3.6 is actually quite good...... variable valve timing, great mileage, decent HP and with a good gear-box, torque isn't as important....

don't get me wrong, I'd still rather have the CRD, but that 3.6 isn't half bad....


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Wonder what new and unique engine problems this new CRD will plague those brave enough to consider a Jeep and VM product.

Does it use diesel exaust fluid (DEF) or catalysts? Selective Catalyst Reduction (SCR) implies no DEF to me....more complicated.

Swirl motors are probematic in most diesel engines and are considered faulty technology.

EGR in diesel: self explanatory

Jeep technicians: usually clueless about anything diesel.

ESP/Low SAP oils: $$$$ about $9-$10 bottle. My 07 GC CRD takes 10 bottles of oil each oil change. Fortunatley I'm able to extend it out to 7500 miles.

Airfilters: Jeep's diesels to date use gas airfilter boxes....both my CRDs are lucky to get 10k miles out of an airfilter. How about a larger airflter box to handle increased flow?


Here is a list of unexpected maintenance issues to date iwth my 07 GC CRD:

1. Thermostat failed close while towing <50k miles on odo. I was able to remove it and punch out the thermo-element/spring assembly and refill with tap water to continue my camping vacation

2 Alternator failure <50k on odo.

3. CCV system spits out more oil than Liberty CRD. Provent CCV is mandatoy

4. Defective intake assembly leaks oil from blowby gasses onto swirl motor assembly (I'm fortunate my swirl motor hasn't failed yet due to improved CCV) Replaced intake with upgraded unit.

5. Lift pump in fuel tank started making horrendous "worn bearing like" noise. Replaced it with a new(remanufactured) pump from dealership and the new reman is worse than the original. Dealership refuses to warranty pump unless we spend $1000 in labor for them to replace it. Dropping tank is an easy job 6 bolts on tank and drop rear side of drive haft to access bolts. 2-3 hours total time with beer breaks.


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:30 pm 
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Hexus wrote:
Well, apparently (as previously discussed) the new Jeep Grand Cherokee will have a 3.0L Ecodiesel option. We still don't know the price point or package options required, but guessing Limited only if the previous NA offerings are any indicator....

This is that engine:

Image

Expected efficiency is 20/28 city/highway respectively with 420 lb-ft of torque.

It's a Compacted Graphite Iron Block (shocker!).

No Balance shaft, and a CHAIN TIMING DRIVE! (giggles insanely)

Oh here:

Producing 240 hp (179 kW) and 420 lb-ft (569 N·m ) of torque, the 3.0-liter EcoDiesel is capable of towing 7,400 pounds—more than any competitor’s gasoline V-8 equipped SUVs. With a 30% increase in fuel economy and a 56% increase in torque versus the Pentastar V-6 engine, the EcoDiesel achieves 21 mpg in the city and 30 mpg on the highway in 4x2 models. Full-time 4x4 models have fuel economy figures of 20 city and 28 highway.

The engine meets emissions standards for all 50 states. MultiJet II common-rail injection and Selective Catalyst Reduction (SCR) help this new engine achieve these results.

The 24-valve, dual-overhead-cam engine features a block and bed plate crafted from strong compacted graphite iron (CGI), which contributes to stiffness without penalizing performance.

The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel’s 60-degree cylinder banks enable more efficient packaging, while effectively balancing the potent inertia generated by torque-rich diesels.

A 1-4-2-5-3-6 firing order helps manage rotation so neatly it needs no balance shaft to deliver the required level of refinement. Further contributing to quieter performance, as well as optimal fuel economy and emissions reduction, is the clean diesel’s 2,000 bar common-rail fuel-injection system. Swirl-control intake ports benefit from a variable-geometry turbocharger and intercooler.

The new engine’s turbo is water-cooled to handle searing heat, while low-voltage ceramic glow plugs accommodate quicker cold-weather starts. Other key features and benefits include:

Finger-follower actuated valves with hydraulic adjusters
Chain-driven camshafts
Piston-cooling oil jets
Water-cooled exhaust-gas recirculation (EGR) for Tier II, Bin 5 and ULEV II compliance
B5 biofuel compatibility

New 8-speed. The new eight-speed transmission features a wide ratio spread, high numerical first-gear ratio, quick shifting and aggressive torque-converter lockup.

Fully electronic, the eight-speed automatic features on-the-fly shift map changing, with manual shifting capability and Electronic Range Select using steering-wheel paddle controls. More than 40 individual shift maps for specific conditions optimize shift quality and shift points for fuel economy, performance and drivability. The intelligent software takes into account variables including engine torque gradients, kick-down events, longitudinal and lateral acceleration, grade changes, friction detection and downshift detection to determine the appropriate shift map. Additional parameters integrated into the control strategy include vehicle speed control, electronic stability control interaction and temperature.

The transmission efficiency and wide ratio spread improve fuel economy by operating at a lower engine rpm in both city and highway environments. The addition of more gear ratios also helps reduce the gaps normally associated with upshifting and downshifting.

Gear changes are nearly imperceptible due to the evenly spaced gear steps between each gear ratio. Internally, the transmission has four gear sets and five shift elements (multi-disc clutches and brakes). Only two shift elements are open at any time. With fewer open shift elements, drag losses due to multiple parts rotating relative to one another are reduced, improving fuel efficiency.

Eco Mode. The 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee also features a new Eco Mode that contributes to its improved fuel economy. Eco Mode optimizes the Grand Cherokee transmission’s shift schedule and—in V-8 models—Fuel Saver Technology with cylinder deactivation as well as throttle sensitivity to maximize fuel economy. The Eco Mode also manages interactive deceleration fuel shut-off (IDFSO), which cuts fuel delivery when the vehicle is coasting to reduce fuel consumption.

In addition, the Eco Mode activates the vehicle’s air suspension system (if so equipped), lowering the Jeep Grand Cherokee to “Aero Ride Height” earlier to improve fuel economy.

Eco Mode is automatically engaged upon vehicle startup. A button on the center stack allows driver’s to disengage Eco Mode if more spirited performance is desired.


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 Post subject: Re: The NEW CRD
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:44 pm 
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Way to much $$$ for a JEEP

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