Greetings, people...

I need to acquire the contact information for V.M. Motori in the U.S. I am trying to find a source for replacement parts for my CRD that the stealership either charges too much for, (fuel injectors, for example; they are $1556.80 EACH up here in Canada), or does not have in more than one temperature rating, (cooling system thermostats - $207.92 - and are NOT HOT ENOUGH for Canadian winters).

I have installed a winter front on both of my CRD libertys, and the engine still does not come up to full operating temperature at any outdoor ambient temperature lower than 0 degrees Celcius.

Are there any solutions out there for this problem? Has anyone scrapped the standard clutch fan and gone with an aftermarket electric fan set up?

On parts check with IDparts (http://idparts.com/catalog/index.php?fi ... ehicle=124) at least I assume they can ship north of the border.

FYI any good Bosch shop can rebuild injectors.

OEM tstat is what it is. The only, IMHO, reliable hotter option is Kap's rebuild but once he finishes this run I doubt he will do anymore. You might consider an hotter inline but IMHO that is a winter only option. That said 0C is only 32F and I've never had a problem reaching the near vertical temp gauge reading down toward 20F (-6-7C) although warm up takes about twice as long and a long traffic light can cause a small drop in temp. If you cannot reach operating temp at 0C I suspect your tstat is on the way out.

Some run with no mechanical fan at all which I would not do in warmer weather. I've only seen one report of replacing the mechanical with an electric.

VM US contact as of 2012 was Diana Dupuie eMail:ddupuie@vm-na.com; 248/977-5901; 1187 Centre Drive, Auburn Hills, Michigan 48326

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I feel you pain. You need to find yourself an online dealer in the US to get dealer parts for about half what you pay up here e.g. my last thermostat cost ~$100+$25 shipping.

As far as temperature is concerned your CRD only has a certain amount excess heat and if your not reaching your current thermostats opening temperature then putting in a higher temp one isn't going to help.

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I have the 192 degree in hose for use in the winter. Heat builds rather quick with help of the Viscous heater (you can feel when it cuts out at about 1/4 temp...unless that is the ECU changing something else).

I agree with papa on the Bosch shop. You must have someone up there. Might as well put food and clothes on your neighbor's children if you can.

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2015 Ram 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel, GDE Hot Tune

You can buy just about anything VM from George at VM Specialist UK (just Google them, and email their contact address). I would not count on much direct VM support from the USA as they are primarily there for liaison duties to the customer base (Chrysler and GM).

Here's what you do.

Get your long distance calling in order (calling card is what I used)

figure out your time vs london time

call the VM specialist... George is awesome, but hard to get a hold of, and emailing them can be frustrating.... get him on the phone....



I too live in canada, and got all my parts shipped from the UK: much much cheaper than even online sites like IDparts, and makes the dealership look like a bunch of crooks...

I bought things like a head gasket, head bolts, lifters, rockers, water pump, timing belt, etc from him.......

We have piles of new injectors if you need some for $500 each. This is much less than online...anywhere! The new injectors are sealed, but they do not come with the o-ring, I need to get a batch of these soon.

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You can get an injector, Keith's tune, all for less than one from the dealer.

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2015 Ram 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel, GDE Hot Tune

It could be your OEM t-stat is junk. There are several threads about putting an in-hose t-stat mounted just downstream from the OEM.

I'd try that for a cheap fix. . . at least temporarily. NurseCosmo posted that he mounted one inline with a functioning OEM stat (those seem to open at 176F.) and his operating temps and cabin heat took a great leap forward. I'd do the same, but I'm counting on the weather breaking soon.

The UK VM specialist seems to be highly rated by guys on this board. I see myself doing business with him sometime in the future.

good luck

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'05 Sport CRD 107k miles. NOBODY knows everything.

Thank you all for your help. I have been doing a fair amount of reading from various posts on the topic of CRD engine cooling systems, and I am starting to get a good idea of why I am having a few extra running problems in the winter. However, I still need some clarity on some of the lingo you fellows use and some of the topics discussed as I am rather ignorant on this subject - sorry for this.

What the H - E - DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS do you guys mean by the following...

1) HOAT?
2) IMHO?
3) Viscous heater?
4) Broken FCV? -- (For you, dirtmover).
5) ECU, (Engine Computer Unit)?

It seems to me that a lot of LOST members like the thermostat in the hose trick. If I try this, I will probably use the hottest, (195 degree?) thermostat available, as I live North of virtually all of you. -30 degree Celsius weather is quite common up here. Has anyone finally tried using the thermostat that, if it fails, will fail in the open position? Has the member had great results with using the "fail-safe" thermostat?

I am also not clear on the consequences of the OEM thermostat failing with respect to it's effect on the coolant bypass system, and what the bypass system is for, any way?

I am willing to spend good money on a reliable, permanent solution to the OEM thermostat that would not clutter up an already busy engine bay. Is the rebuild performed by Kap, (Mark Kapalczynski, I am assuming), a complete replacement for the OEM thermostat, or simply another add-on to the OEM like the t-stat in the hose trick? If Kap's rebuild IS a replacement for the OEM t-stat, does the coolant bypass still work, or does it even need to work?

If the idea of the coolant bypass system is to warm up the engine more quickly, (evenly?), I would say that it is not working well up here in Canada. I keep hoping someone like Keith at GDE can reprogram the computer to idle up the engine to about 1500 RPM about 1 minute after starting to hasten the warm-up time.

Papaindigo: Thank you for the VM USA contact information... it may not do me any good to consult them, but I won't know for sure unless I try. I WILL DEFINITELY try George at VM Specialist UK thanks to the recommendations by Glend and others.

Keith at GDE: I promised you I would purchase at least 2 tunes and a couple of turbochargers from you... I have not forgotten, my promise has simply been delayed. My career experiment in Fox Creek, Alberta has gone sideways, and I am back in Edmonton looking for work to advance my career. I now know that you have injectors as well; thanks for telling me, (any chance, by the way, that the more advanced piezo-electric injectors mentioned on VM Motori's website incorporated in later edition engines will work in the Liberty CRD engines, and will they provide more performance and efficiency?).

I almost forgot; one more example that shows I am a rookie on this forum...

What is "TCM"? -- is that a Torque Converter Module?

Jeff

Jeff,

1. IMHO - In my honest opinion
2. Viscous Heater - accessory belt driven heater on CRD. Heats up the coolant with heat transfer from friction coupling. Old technology by today's standards
3. FCV - flow control valve, some rocket scientist at Chrysler wanted to reinvent and rename what is really an intake throttle.
4. HOAT - coolant, someting about hybrid organic, bottom line, don't mix different types and you won't have any issues
5. TCM - Transmission Control Module
6. ECU - electronic control unit, generic for any computer module
7. ECM - engine control module, also called a PCM - powertrain control module

The piezo injectors will not work on the Liberty CRD. These have different voltage drivers in the ECM. This is a major architecture change to the electronics and fuel system.

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FCV - just to clarify, the plastic gears in it strip causing it to fail and raise a CEL, mine did this about a year ago. This is a ~$350 part (probably closer to $700 up here ) that doesn't do much. The tune can make it disappear which is great if you live in an area that does OBD based emissions testing . For me this saving alone went a long way to covering the cost of the tune

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The FCV valve and the EGR Valve are (NEARLY) completely eliminated with the GDE tune. They retail for about $325 & $180 respectively.

That is just for parts, cheapest available anywhere, sans labor.

GDE tune also provides increased fuel efficiency, how can you go wrong?

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