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I guess I will order a head gasket kit. The ARP studs look like a descent upgrade but $320 for 18 bolts? Wow! That's what I would expect for Boeing parts.

TXriverrat, Do you have a local source for those parts (both studs and gasket) in Houston?
Regardless, what sources did you use?

I have had a '03 2wd KJ for 6 years now without a lick of trouble. Has anyone jerked that magnificent torque master out and replaced it with the 3.7 gas? Does it just bolt up?

Brad Rath
San Antonio, TX

Just bought my nicely detailed '05 CRD. CARFAX said it was a good deal so I jumped on it. i called the nice folks at Rocky Road Outfitters and $3,000+ later I was on my way to a great set of wheels.
CARFAX can tell you if bad stuff has been reported not if good stuff has been accomplished. I finally tracked down the dealer of record and NO, THE TIMING BELT WAS NEVER REPLACED. The dealer also reported that the water pump was leaking. It has 165,000mi. OK , I ordered the kit with the specialized tools, they should be here Monday.
I have decided to tempt fate and drive a few (10) miles a day in the mean time. I put a cup or two of zerex G 05 in every day to keep the radiator topped off. I know the water pump is leaking so that's to be expected. A new development is INTERMITTENT WHITE SMOKE coming from the tail pipe. It doesn't happen all the time but when it does you can't ignore it. A friend suggested it might be the intercooler. What do you all think?

Thanks,
Brad Rath
San Antonio, TX

So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs, and you do not have to replace the gasket? Has this been tried, does it work long term?

flman wrote:

So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs, and you do not have to replace the gasket? Has this been tried, does it work long term?

I don't think that is what they were suggesting, rather, when you change the head gasket, put in the studs.

So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs and no more failure?

Author:	Pukka [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:58 pm ]
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Just bought my nicely detailed '05 CRD. CARFAX said it was a good deal so I jumped on it. i called the nice folks at Rocky Road Outfitters and $3,000+ later I was on my way to a great set of wheels. CARFAX can tell you if bad stuff has been reported not if good stuff has been accomplished. I finally tracked down the dealer of record and NO, THE TIMING BELT WAS NEVER REPLACED. The dealer also reported that the water pump was leaking. It has 165,000mi. OK , I ordered the kit with the specialized tools, they should be here Monday. I have decided to tempt fate and drive a few (10) miles a day in the mean time. I put a cup or two of zerex G 05 in every day to keep the radiator topped off. I know the water pump is leaking so that's to be expected. A new development is INTERMITTENT WHITE SMOKE coming from the tail pipe. It doesn't happen all the time but when it does you can't ignore it. A friend suggested it might be the intercooler. What do you all think? Thanks, Brad Rath San Antonio, TX

Author:	Glend [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:01 pm ]
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Hmmm' losing coolant, white smoke, sounds like the head gasket me. Better check your oil and get a leak down test done.

Author:	TXriverrat [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:26 pm ]
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Losing coolant -- not good 165k and no timing belt replacement -- pretty friggin bad (though you don't know for sure this was never done) White smoke --- very bad In my very recent engine failure and rebuild. I would suggest you return the vehicle promptly or immediately stop driving and do timing belt, head gasket, and replace cylinder head bolts with ARP studs. I can't tell you much about the ARP's studs because I am just about to get my CRD back tomorrow for the second time but anything must be better than OEM. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=65524 viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74477

Author:	Pukka [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:56 am ]
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I guess I will order a head gasket kit. The ARP studs look like a descent upgrade but $320 for 18 bolts? Wow! That's what I would expect for Boeing parts. TXriverrat, Do you have a local source for those parts (both studs and gasket) in Houston? Regardless, what sources did you use? I have had a '03 2wd KJ for 6 years now without a lick of trouble. Has anyone jerked that magnificent torque master out and replaced it with the 3.7 gas? Does it just bolt up? Brad Rath San Antonio, TX

Author:	LMWatBullRun [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:37 pm ]
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Pukka wrote: I guess I will order a head gasket kit. The ARP studs look like a descent upgrade but $320 for 18 bolts? Wow! That's what I would expect for Boeing parts. TXriverrat, Do you have a local source for those parts (both studs and gasket) in Houston? Regardless, what sources did you use? I have had a '03 2wd KJ for 6 years now without a lick of trouble. Has anyone jerked that magnificent torque master out and replaced it with the 3.7 gas? Does it just bolt up? Brad Rath San Antonio, TX Get studs. Not hard to do, read the ARP stud thread and PM me w questions.

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Author:	Glend [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:14 pm ]
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Before you spend money on parts get a pro to test it.

Author:	kjjet [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:55 pm ]
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Pukka wrote: Just bought my nicely detailed '05 CRD. CARFAX said it was a good deal so I jumped on it. i called the nice folks at Rocky Road Outfitters and $3,000+ later I was on my way to a great set of wheels. CARFAX can tell you if bad stuff has been reported not if good stuff has been accomplished. I finally tracked down the dealer of record and NO, THE TIMING BELT WAS NEVER REPLACED. The dealer also reported that the water pump was leaking. It has 165,000mi. OK , I ordered the kit with the specialized tools, they should be here Monday. I have decided to tempt fate and drive a few (10) miles a day in the mean time. I put a cup or two of zerex G 05 in every day to keep the radiator topped off. I know the water pump is leaking so that's to be expected. A new development is INTERMITTENT WHITE SMOKE coming from the tail pipe. It doesn't happen all the time but when it does you can't ignore it. A friend suggested it might be the intercooler. What do you all think? Thanks, Brad Rath San Antonio, TX Blown head gasket or cracked head. Tear it down and send the head for inspection. Plan on rockers. Lots of parts. But they don't cost what Boeing wants. I pad over $250 for a clamp last month from Boeing.

Author:	naturist [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:51 pm ]
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wow, 165,000 miles on the original timing belt is WAAYYYY overdue. And driving it 10 miles is really tempting fate big time. Since there is NO connection between the intercooler and the engine cooling system, there is a also no way a malfunctioning/damaged intercooler can transfer engine coolant to the intake system. It is possible you have other coolant leaks, but the white smoke one suggests a blown head gasket, and the fact that it is significant white smoke from time to time suggests the leak might be large enough to hydrolock the engine, which would cause major damage. If you got a "super clean" vehicle for only about $3000 or a little more, it appears what you bought was a good body in need of some extensive engine work. Still possibly a good deal, but maybe not as good as it at first appeared.

Author:	Pukka [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:19 pm ]
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Naturist, I agree with you completely. I paid $6,200 for a car that CARFAX rated as being worth $825 OVER Blue Book. I bought it partly as an interesting toy that could take me to the remote reaches of Big Bend. I am going to go forward with this repair with that goal in mind. I am trying to digest all the procedures, part numbers, kits, suppliers and advice from the various TB and head bolt threads and will post a proposed course of action for comment soon. I can't find the tab on the intake side of the block that codes what thickness head gasket to order. Anyone have a picture with landmarks? I'm probably looking in the wrong place. Without that, I'll probably order the middle value. How much can + or - 0.1mm matter? Brad Rath San Antonio, TX

Author:	flman [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:26 pm ]
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So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs and no more failure?

Author:	user113 [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:31 pm ]
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flman wrote: So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs, and you do not have to replace the gasket? Has this been tried, does it work long term? I don't think that is what they were suggesting, rather, when you change the head gasket, put in the studs.

Author:	flman [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:35 pm ]
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user113 wrote: flman wrote: So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs, and you do not have to replace the gasket? Has this been tried, does it work long term? I don't think that is what they were suggesting, rather, when you change the head gasket, put in the studs. Right, the guy with the Dale logo mentioned he did it to his Jetta TDI but I guess his gasket was still good?

Author:	racertracer [ Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:22 am ]
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flman wrote: So are you guys saying, you got a leaky head gasket, put in ARP studs and no more failure? ARP suggests replacing the gasket when a HG leak is present, the tech said that more often than not the leak returns when it is not replaced.

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