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Author:  jim66wright [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:  New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
Just signed up and looking for the link to a service manual for the 2005 CRD Liberty.
Just got the Green Eng. Eco on the computer, but cannot get the Lib to turn over. No power to the starter, Interrupter light on, no check engine light.
Any help appreciated.
also looking for other CRD owners near Greensboro...
Thanks,
Jim
2005 CRD Liberty
1999 GS400 Lexus
1999 S70 Volvo
Author:  audiboy86 [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
Get back on the phone with Kieth at GDE he usually is very helpful in situations like this. But the link to the manuals is KJ Manual and might want to go through Sams Noob Guide. It is full of huge amounts of CRD knowledge and suggested for all new members. Oh and let's not forget welcome to LOST.
Author:  DOC4444 [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
Did you use the tuner or R&R the ECU? If you R&R'd, you probably did not get all the pins fully seated or left the key on when you removed the ECU.

DOC
Author:  jim66wright [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
:D Thanks for the warm welcome. And thanks for the searching guidelines...Keith suggested to find the manual here and I will post the solution, once found.
What started this whole process is when my daughter was driving home from a friends home, she got 1/2 mile and the Lib just died. I tried jumping off, but no CEL, no action from the starter.
We replaced the ignition switch, as a blind start, but no luck. We then reset the computer, we thought, by leaving off the negative cable for 30 minutes. Nothing, and still no CEL and the shop tool would not read the codes, which I have two in normal cases, which are the communication errors for cylinders 2 and 3.
The R&R is in the process of being done. Should get the cpu with ECO tune back today, or tomorrow and will start with the list of: neutral switch, cam sensor, key reprogram, starter relay, and put the battery on a full trickle charge tonight.
When Keith from GRD put the unit in his Lib, all was good...so now I have to figure out why it would not give me a CEL and the Interrupter Light stayed on....and no turnover.
Looking forward to reporting the improvement in MPG and the amount of contrail left when blowing it out, once a week....
Cheers!
~Jim
Author:  Billwill [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
You should come right with all the advice from Keith etc. but the first thing to get the engine to turnover is to jumper pins 30 and 87 in the Starter relay socket...this bypasses the ignition key, the starter relay and the interlocks for Neutral, Park etc.

Do you have the SKIS system installed? This will give you a "key" symbol with a line through it for a few seconds when you turn on the ignition....should not "flash' or stay ON. :)
Author:  papaindigo [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
Comments:
1. read Sam's NOOB guide
2. get copy of 06 FSM in addition to 05 FSM. 05 lacks diesel cooling system info and diagnostics but has illustration keys while 06 FSM is the reverse.
3. which Greensboro? I know of at least 4 in different states
4. please clarify what you mean by "Interrupter Light"
5. try viewtopic.php?f=5&t=61233&p=678574&hilit=+brother#p678574
Author:  Billwill [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
Yeah I was also wondering what this "interrupter" light was all about....thought it had something to do with the GF turning on the cabin lights to adjust her makeup while I was trying to get some diagnostics going! :)
Author:  jim66wright [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
[quote="Billwill"]Yeah I was also wondering what this "interrupter" light was all about....thought it had something to do with the GF turning on the cabin lights to adjust her makeup while I was trying to get some diagnostics going! :)[/quote
Very good!
The GDE mod computer went back in finally this weekend at Frank's in Greensboro, NC. We tried to check the NPS by moving the gear selector to R and checking the back up lights, and they were on...according to another Jeep mechanic, Gentry, here in GSO, if the neutral switch is foul then the lights will not come on.
Frank, got power to the starter and it would turn over, but not start....I am thinking ok, that means the starter is working and that's about it. He was thinking that all diesels should start if turning over...my thinking is that this has limited value.
I am towing it to another mechanic, Gentry, in Greensboro tomorrow, to let them have a shot.
The service manual takes you right through most of the checks, which I supplied to Frank, but I think they were still using the subjective method of hunt and peck to see what was wrong.
Sad to have lost 3 weeks while they messed around with the Lib, but there you go, even nice guys can mess up too.
Glad to say I got with you guys on this, and the GDE Eco Tune...just cannot wait for my first trip to MS, 800 miles one way from here...to play with and report MPG, vs steady MPH cruising.
Cheers!
Jim
Author:  kissfan79 [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
Welcome to LOST. Although not exactly near Greensboro....I am in Raleigh so only a little over an hour away. If you have trouble with mechanics in GSO....I can recommend Global Off Road and Diesel here in Raleigh. They did my timing belt change and charged a very fair price for the labor. A little far but could be an option. Their number is (919) 784-0411 and ask for Jerry.

Jim
Author:  click23 [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
jim66wright wrote:
He was thinking that all diesels should start if turning over...my thinking is that this has limited value.



Not with the our pezoelectric injectors, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftchx1TDNJo.
Author:  jim66wright [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
kissfan79 wrote:
Welcome to LOST. Although not exactly near Greensboro....I am in Raleigh so only a little over an hour away. If you have trouble with mechanics in GSO....I can recommend Global Off Road and Diesel here in Raleigh. They did my timing belt change and charged a very fair price for the labor. A little far but could be an option. Their number is (919) 784-0411 and ask for Jerry.

Jim


Thanks!
I will give them a call and see if they have any ideas.
Jim
Author:  jim66wright [ Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New member, 2005 CRD service manual needed
jim66wright wrote:
kissfan79 wrote:
Welcome to LOST. Although not exactly near Greensboro....I am in Raleigh so only a little over an hour away. If you have trouble with mechanics in GSO....I can recommend Global Off Road and Diesel here in Raleigh. They did my timing belt change and charged a very fair price for the labor. A little far but could be an option. Their number is (919) 784-0411 and ask for Jerry.

Jim


Thanks!
I will give them a call and see if they have any ideas.
Jim

Ok, called Jim in Raleigh.
He said to check all the fuses. Which we will do today. And if there is a blown fuse, we need to find out why.

At the garage, they called in a guy with a laptop that can communicate with the different modules and it could not communicate with the Power Control Module or the Transmission Module, but could talk to the Theft Security Module. That Module had three codes, that stated the PCM had a connection fault, duh, and the Sentry Key Immoblizer System had a fault, and Tranny module had a power connection fault as well. So for $85 to this guy, we got what? I asked him, and he said that it could take an hour to find or 40 and never find....I told him thanks for nothing.
Will check the ignition switch to see if the other garage, Frank Burroughs on N. Church St, did what he said...strange that he had no replaced part for me when his guys gave me the bill...I will always ask in the future.
Jim
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