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Author:  dstewart [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
Hi, with a heavy heart I have to put my 05 CRD out to pasture, rocker arm problems and maybe more with the engine (100k miles). I recently had the turbo rebuilt and the jeep itself is in good condition, I was hoping to get a couple more years out of it, but years of neglect on my part led to it's demise. I need to make a decision on what to do with it, it's parked in Snohomish WA at Dynamic Diesel but I need to move it soon. Is it worth my trouble to try to part it out or find somebody that wants it for project work etc?

Any help would be very much appreciated!
Author:  papaindigo [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
You need to be more specific about the issues to get useful advice particularly "maybe more with the engine". If it's just rockers the parts are ca. $360 from ID Parts. If it needs a timing belt job parts are ca. $400 from the same place. If there is suspected piston damage then you probably need to go in that far to verify yes/no before trying to sell stuff. For example if pistons and head are ok then getting it back on the road is a couple of days work to do the TB and rockers.
Author:  dstewart [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
Thanks, yeah I was quoted for about 5,000 worth of work to take it apart (the quote included a timing belt update) and see if the pistons are damaged or not so most of the quote is labor, after taxes it came out to be 7k worth of work in all for them to do it. I found a guy that has a dead 05 CRD in Marysville on craigslist for 2500, no idea if his issues are similar to mine or not. At this point I'm just hoping to get some $ out of it.
Author:  Hexus [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
Man, I really undercharged for the last Rocker/Lifter job I did for $500 plus expenses then.

LOL!

The guy is robbing you, the place is robbing you.

You can take this all apart yourself in your driveway/garage to check and see what the real problem is.

Without looking I'd say trying to get $2500 out of it is a gamble. Engines for this beast run from $3500 (Cheapest I've seen yet) to $5500 (more common) to even $8500.

Without knowing, REALLY KNOWING WITH VERIFIABLE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, where the damage stops, it's a toss of the dice as to what's really wrong.
Author:  LMWatBullRun [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
There is nothing magical about working on these, just a few special tools and the ability to tolerate working in a cramped engine compartment. Everything on this buggy has just enough space to put it in IF you do things in just the right order. You have a huge resource inthis board, too.

This does not sound initially like a major problem, replace the rockers, nstall studs, replace the glow plugs, timing belt, water pump and away you go!
Author:  papaindigo [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
Why is it parked? How did they diagnose rocker problems? It's not impossible that the timing belt went at 100k, some have done so before then but others have lasted significantly longer? Will the engine turn over manually from the crank? If it's just not running/firing up there are a number of possible causes that have nothing to do with rockers. That's why I'd like more information

For discussion purposes let's assume the timing belt went then:
1. if all went well the rockers collapsed as designed in which case
2. you need a timing belt job (dealer price with water pump likely ca. $1,500) and rockers (see my ID Parts pricing for parts plus dealer maybe another 5 hrs labor) say a total cost of $3,000 from not running to running.
3. if?? one needs to pull the head to check pistons (I suspect you can tell from rocker and valve stem condition and/or a bore scope thru the injector holes) that's another 2 hours or so.
4. Sounds like a lot but for starters at 100K you were already on the hook for the timing belt job.

I'd be inclined to get it back and with forum advice pull it down to at least the rockers and see what's what, again pending more information on how you got where you are. At that point you will know what's trashed and what's not trashed which I'd think would put you in a better position to part it or fix it. In theory, assuming pistons/valves are ok, fixing it TB and rockers included is $750 or so plus your time and some forum help and I know there are members in the vicinity.
Author:  dstewart [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
Thanks guys, yeah I'll be bringing it home. I have a good friend who may be able to help me with it also and yeah with some help its worth a try for sure. Can't get much worse at this point I guess, haha.
Author:  MRausch82 [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
So.... what happened to it, that is, why is it parked?? What failed???? $5000 before taxes/$7000 after taxes?! :dizzy: Something does not sound right here. If the timing belt failed, then you need a timing belt and rockers. Period. Nothing else has been damaged. There has not been any reported damage WHEN the timing belt itself fails other than rockers. No valve damage. If valves are damaged, there is other things that failed. If it needs rockers due to wear from EGR, you may as well do the timing belt and related parts anyhow. We need to know WHAT failed and WHY and HOW you came to the conclusion. If it is not major engine damage, I say fix it...
Author:  Srytrucker [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
The mechanic at Dynamic Diesel knows his stuff but like all repair shops they start seeing $$ signs and start adding time,not considering the overlap so even one bolt is to be removed next to the last one , it starts to add up,at this point best option is to bring it home start wrenching your self or get your buddy to help out , take pictures and get help from this forum even a major surgery with the help of this forum member costing 3k would be cheaper than getting a replacement vehicle...good luck.
Author:  dieseldoesit [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
Hexus wrote:
The guy is robbing you, the place is robbing you..


I think we need to see what was all included in the quote before you go saying that...

The place does good work and are professionals.
Author:  Hexus [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
dieseldoesit wrote:
Hexus wrote:
The guy is robbing you, the place is robbing you..


I think we need to see what was all included in the quote before you go saying that...

The place does good work and are professionals.


I don't need to see anything. $100+ an hour for shop labor is rediculous especially when you're charged on a "formulated" time instead of real time spent.

I spent 13 hours, 14 hours, and 20+ hours on this exact engine doing the kind of work you are talking about and never charged anything like that. It's not hard work, it's not technically demanding and it can be done in your garage/driveway/back yard.

Thousands of dollars for hundreds of dollars of work is always a ripoff, I don't care how good their work is.
Author:  TJ2 [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dead 05 CRD in WA need advice
I agree with Hexus. Nobody is worth $100 an hour for turning wrenches. A CRD is not rocket science. But as long as shops are getting away charging that much, the price isn't going down. Two years from now shop time will be what. . .. $150 maybe $200 an hour?
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