Fuel filter

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

Every how many miles you should change the fuel filter? I've read many versions about different milages.
And, can I buy any fuel filter that fits there? Or it has to be of certain size/specification?
Where I live a Mopar fuel filter costs $180, and an alternative I found is actually shorter in size and from another brand. Can I replace it with this other one or it has to be the Mopar original filter with the same exact size?

racertracer · **Posted:** Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:11 am

go here, click on the following links:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_85_ ... 2470954011

this one will fit also

http://www.amazon.com/Auto-Extra-616-33 ... a+61633647

Billwill · **Posted:** Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:59 am

hgrimberg wrote:

Every how many miles you should change the fuel filter? I've read many versions about different milages.
And, can I buy any fuel filter that fits there? Or it has to be of certain size/specification?
Where I live a Mopar fuel filter costs $180, and an alternative I found is actually shorter in size and from another brand. Can I replace it with this other one or it has to be the Mopar original filter with the same exact size?

That is a ridiculous price...I recently bought the Mopar filter for about $60 and in South Africa we normally pay much more for Jeep spares than USA owners pay!

joelukex4 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:54 pm **Posts:** 386

hgrimberg wrote:

Every how many miles you should change the fuel filter? I've read many versions about different milages.
And, can I buy any fuel filter that fits there? Or it has to be of certain size/specification?
Where I live a Mopar fuel filter costs $180, and an alternative I found is actually shorter in size and from another brand. Can I replace it with this other one or it has to be the Mopar original filter with the same exact size?

I have 34K on the current filter since I bought the Liberty used and the dealer paperwork shows it was in for 18k before I purchased the Liberty. From what I understand this unit was only serviced by a small town dealership. If you use quality diesel and a good quality additive you should not have a problem for 30K miles. I am well beyond that mileage. I still have the gen 1 filter housing and don't want deal with priming issues.

papaindigo · **Posted:** Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:25 am

X2 and I wonder if they are trying to sell the entire filter head with the filter preinstalled instead instead of just the filter. That's been known to happen.

If you are changing just the filter be reminded to detach the WIF sensor plug on the bottom before removal and make sure the old inner gasket comes off with the old filter.

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

Ok, then if it is every 30,000 miles, I won't change it for now because last one I changed was 20,000 miles ago.
Where I live, the Chrysler dealer is the only one who sells Mopar filter and charges whatever they want. So, the other brands I can find are Fram or generic ones, like Wego, etc. What I was asking was if there were specifications for this particular fuel filter like if it was necessary to have certain volume, size...
Thank you,

flash7210 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:43 pm

That $180 price is for a new filter attached to a new filter head.
If you want a new, upgraded filter head then go ahead and buy it.
Otherwise, a filter alone should be between $30-40.
You can get a filter through Napa.

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

I dont live in the US and there is no Napa here. We have other brands, most of them unknown in the US because they are made here in Argentina. My question is what are the specs I should be looking for when searching for a fuel filter that will work in our Liberty CRD.

papaindigo · **Posted:** Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:38 pm

Comments:
1. have you confirmed that what they want $180 for is just the fuel filter (PN 52129238AA) or is it the entire fuel filter head with a filter installed (PN 52129237AA 1s gen or 68043089AA 2n gen)? If it's the entire assembly as politely as you can tell them to stuff it that the filter element is replaceable by itself and to provide you with just the filter (PN above). Stateside would cost ca. $45.
2. if that doesn't work does your filter have a WIF sensor screwed into the bottom? If not you need to determine the thread size, the inner and outer gasket size, and filter microns which you can get online from like the WIX site. If you can get that info then any equivalent diesel fuel filter that closely matches those specs should do ok. Back in the day this is how we identified larger oil filters, paying attention to the overpressure relief valve too of course.
3. if your filter has a WIF sensor on the bottom, see pics of WIX 33647 (the white plastic thing is a plug that's removed to screw in the WIF sensor). Then you need the same specs as in 2 above plus the WIF sensor threading. Yes in "theory" you can run without a WIF sensor and I've never had water in fuel problems but doing so is a really bad idea that can get expensive.

Filter options about which I am positive WIX 33647, NAPA 3647, Mann WK854/2 appears to be the one idParts sells and that checks out in European markets via a google search. Filter options which seem ok based on a a google search on "WIX 33647 cross reference" I see Baldwin BF7970, Hastings FF1168, Fleetguard FS19781, Purolator F65782, Luberfiner LFF6354, IVECO 2992300, Hengst H160WK, and Knecht/Mahle KC182 but you would have to check them out based on what might be available down your way.

Of course there are options to ditch the OEM fuel filter head for other options similar to what was fitted to the prior year KJ diesels.

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

papaindigo wrote:

Comments:
1. have you confirmed that what they want $180 for is just the fuel filter (PN 52129238AA) or is it the entire fuel filter head with a filter installed (PN 52129237AA 1s gen or 68043089AA 2n gen)? If it's the entire assembly as politely as you can tell them to stuff it that the filter element is replaceable by itself and to provide you with just the filter (PN above). Stateside would cost ca. $45.
2. if that doesn't work does your filter have a WIF sensor screwed into the bottom? If not you need to determine the thread size, the inner and outer gasket size, and filter microns which you can get online from like the WIX site. If you can get that info then any equivalent diesel fuel filter that closely matches those specs should do ok. Back in the day this is how we identified larger oil filters, paying attention to the overpressure relief valve too of course.
3. if your filter has a WIF sensor on the bottom, see pics of WIX 33647 (the white plastic thing is a plug that's removed to screw in the WIF sensor). Then you need the same specs as in 2 above plus the WIF sensor threading. Yes in "theory" you can run without a WIF sensor and I've never had water in fuel problems but doing so is a really bad idea that can get expensive.

Filter options about which I am positive WIX 33647, NAPA 3647, Mann WK854/2 appears to be the one idParts sells and that checks out in European markets via a google search. Filter options which seem ok based on a a google search on "WIX 33647 cross reference" I see Baldwin BF7970, Hastings FF1168, Fleetguard FS19781, Purolator F65782, Luberfiner LFF6354, IVECO 2992300, Hengst H160WK, and Knecht/Mahle KC182 but you would have to check them out based on what might be available down your way.

Of course there are options to ditch the OEM fuel filter head for other options similar to what was fitted to the prior year KJ diesels.

Just the Mopar filter itself is $180 and this is because they are the only ones who import this filter in Argentina. I talked to a mechanic today and he said he can replace it with a FRAM P5537 or a Tecneco which are like $10. He says both of them fit in but they are shorter in size so the filtration capacity will be less and thus, I´ll have to replace it more often like every 6000 miles. Do I trust his words?

joelukex4 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:54 pm **Posts:** 386

Mann Filters are available in Argentina.

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Model type Engine codeengine kW HP Year of manufacturetime arrowdowngreenView all model types
2.8 CRD Turbodiesel 120 163 04/05->01/11
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Filter Fuel Filter

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WK 854/2WK 854/2

papaindigo · **Posted:** Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:38 pm

I cannot find any images of either of the filters your mechanic suggests so I cannot tell if they have the WIF sensor as I mentioned.

If Mann's are available go with the # I provided. I did find one dealer in Argentina see http://www.meyersacif.com/

Auberon · **Posted:** Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:31 pm

Would it be worth your considering the Racor head and filter - then you have lots of choice with filter medium and efficiency - try marine suppliers they are a good source and often not so pricey as the Mopar or other "land - based suppliers".

That is a crazy amount of money for what it is.

You could buy the whole unit and spare filters for the money you are discussing. Just price the freight carefully.

I found my best pricing has been from Maine in the US even when I had to import to Australia (much better than our local pricing for these units) and you can filter down to 2 um. Adding a side pressure gauge to watch when the filter is loading and needs changing - you get a viewing bowl to see what is in there - water or other muck. My Holley fuel gauge fitted to the side cost me USD 15.00 (approximately) in a shipment with other items. The WIF sensor is compatible too (electrically) but not the thread so you need to buy the sensor as an accessory along with a few other bits and pieces - just make sure you buy it with the filter - suggest splicing the wires in parallel with the existing sensor. So you can choose between the use Mopar filters/head or the Racor unit works - just leave on branch of the cabling unattached.

After it's installed these are available world wide.

The changeover is well written up in the tech part and not too hard to do.

Not a fan of the Mopar diesel filter and as was suggested the MANN is a much better choice - certainly better quality. It would be worth chasing these.

You shouldn't have to make that servicing compromise of doing a fuel filter as often as you noted if you let the mechanic change to a smaller filter area unless conditions are really bad. The Racor unit as written up on the forum has more than enough capacity. It's a big canister with much dirt holding reserve.
Good luck.

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

Finally found the Mann filter on this part of the world!
Thank you!

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

papaindigo wrote:

I cannot find any images of either of the filters your mechanic suggests so I cannot tell if they have the WIF sensor as I mentioned.

If Mann's are available go with the # I provided. I did find one dealer in Argentina see http://www.meyersacif.com/

Thank you papaindigo, I found the Mann for just $24! Now I'll change the engine's refrigerating fluid that the manual says I have to change at 120,000 km.

papaindigo · **Posted:** Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:50 pm

"engine's refrigerating fluid" ? Do you mean antifreeze or do you mean AC system freon? If the latter it never has to be changed as long as the system is functioning to spec which can be checked with a simple thermometer per the FSM. If you mean antifreeze be sure to use HOAT which may spark another search to avoid Mopar HOAT but I'm sure there are other options just give a shout out if so. For example there is a Ford option.

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

papaindigo wrote:

"engine's refrigerating fluid" ? Do you mean antifreeze or do you mean AC system freon? If the latter it never has to be changed as long as the system is functioning to spec which can be checked with a simple thermometer per the FSM. If you mean antifreeze be sure to use HOAT which may spark another search to avoid Mopar HOAT but I'm sure there are other options just give a shout out if so. For example there is a Ford option.

They told me about using a Valvoline... On the back of the Manual where there is a chart, it says every how many miles you have to do certain things. At around 75000 miles, it tells you to change the refrigerating fluid or something like that in English. Sorry, I have a Manual translated to mexican, so I cannot even understand what that is in Spanish... nor in English...
Apparently it is the engine coolant. So is that the antifreeze you are talking about? It is summertime here, so if it is that, I won't need it now, right?

papaindigo · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:23 pm

The recommended antifreeze is a HOAT type antifreeze. To the best of my knowledge there are 3, maybe 4, clearly HOAT coolants on the market. Mopar 5 Year/100,000 Mile, Ford / Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant, Zerex G-05, and maybe? Mercedes Benz Antifreeze Agent - Part # Q 103 0002. There may be others out side of the the North American market I do not know.

If you send be a email, not a PM, I can send you a PDF copy of the 06 Owners Manual in English if that's any help.

hgrimberg · **Joined:** Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm **Posts:** 363

papaindigo wrote:

The recommended antifreeze is a HOAT type antifreeze. To the best of my knowledge there are 3, maybe 4, clearly HOAT coolants on the market. Mopar 5 Year/100,000 Mile, Ford / Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant, Zerex G-05, and maybe? Mercedes Benz Antifreeze Agent - Part # Q 103 0002. There may be others out side of the the North American market I do not know.

If you send be a email, not a PM, I can send you a PDF copy of the 06 Owners Manual in English if that's any help.

I found the English manual, thank you.
Is it so necessary to change the engine coolant if it is summertime here now, or I can wait until next winter?
BTW, they have Valvoline coolant here.

papaindigo · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:38 am

I'd suggest you start another string entitled something like HOAT antifreeze options for the export market or maybe just antifreeze options for the KJ CRD in the export market. I do not know what the export market manual recommends or what folks are using. In this market HOAT antifreeze is recommended and some have experienced significant problems using products that are not HOAT such as "universal" or OAT antifreeze.

HOAT antifreezes I am familiar with are 5 year or 50-100,000 mile, whichever comes first, products. As I understand it the change interval is based on degradation of the antifreeze's chemistry that provides protection from corrosion in the cooling system not its ability to protect from freezing so in that sense waiting matters only in the corrosion protection area. I have heard but know nothing about products that are "supposed" to resort corrosion protection with an antifreeze change.

As to whether or not that Valvoline product is HOAT I have no clue.

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