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 Post subject: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:12 am 
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Hi guys.

When I preform cold starts in cold weather -20 to +20 F The jeep starts pretty much instantly, but sounds like its missing or igniting late. It does not smoke during these fits. (other than vapor)
It takes about 3-7 Seconds for it to run without stumbling.

I have no cel or anything. I removed my egr plate to see if it effected anything but it did not.
When I use the block heater, this is not a problem.

I have the factory glow plugs and relay.


I may have a head gasket leak or loose head bolts (coolant into overflow) this was only a problem in the summer when I towed around 9k lb trailer from San Diego to Alaska.
I have experienced no coolant loss in the last 3 months.

I am using a gde hot tune.

Anyone ever experience this?

I don't want to waste time and money on the relay or plugs if its not known to remedy.. I have bigger fish to fry. (front drive shaft boot, head gasket)

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:23 am 
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CRDMiller wrote:
Hi guys.

When I preform cold starts in cold weather -20 to +20 F The jeep starts pretty much instantly, but sounds like its missing or igniting late. It does not smoke during these fits. (other than vapor)
It takes about 3-7 Seconds for it to run without stumbling.


Sounds entirely normal.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:42 am 
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I have the same problem like you:

At all starts under +10°C (+50 F) my CRD also runs very rough, like on just three cylinders. after a few seconds the engine begin to run round like it should. I ordered now a new glow plug kit and `ll change them.

Like your description i sounds like the glow plugs...

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:28 am 
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Seems normal for cold conditions. The CRD is a hard starter in the winter months at times. If a glow plug was failed it would set a CEL.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:02 am 
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The Princess' does the same thing every now and then, excluding the leak. I add some PS (or what ever diesel additive you prefer) for a couple of tank fulls and have her drive it, "briskly". Back to show room fresh after that.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:38 pm 
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I would be concerned with the Coolant being pushed to the overflow side of the tank. Sounds like a Head gasket to me! A new HG will prob fix your ruff starting also.

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KJJET

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:01 pm 
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Sounds familiar.

The wife heard it for the first time the other day during a -14 start. She says “old Betsy didn’t want to start”

I hope that name doesn't stick.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:22 pm 
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The abbreviation for that is BJ. That will always fix a ruff start. :lol:

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GDE ECO, No EGR, no FCV, (system gone)
Oil Drain plug P/N 090-039
K&N Air Filter, 2nd gen Fuel filter head
NEW Rockers & lifters
Mobil 1 0w-40
Stant 13519 195 deg inline Thermostat.
0 281 002 845 MAP
Etecno GX3123 7v Glow Plugs
Advance Gold 800CCA Battery
Traded it for a Quality VW TDI


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 Post subject: Re: Rough/missing cold start
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:01 pm 
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Alright, thanks guys for sharing your experiences.

I had it pegged as normal but thought perhaps someone would say one of the other glow plug configurations or relay would remedy this.

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Transgo shift kit, EHM, fcv butterfly removed, egr plated off. 19 3/8 solid flex fan, no electric fan, 10k lb aux trans cooler.
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