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Author:  k5robnp [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
As the title says, Im getting ready to do the timing belt on my 05 crd with 68000 miles. I figured its good to do it because of its age, please correct me if Im wrong. I ordered the kit from idparts and it should be here soon. Another cause for the job, is when its cold out it sounds like an idler pulley somewhere is going out. Its an intermittent chirping sound that doesnt make me feel good. I have read a couple procedures about doing the belts so I am aware of the special tools ill need, mainly the cam gear locking tool and the pins that lock in the intake, exhaust and flywheel. Im in the Raleigh NC area and was wondering if there is anywhere local I can rent these tools from? Also are theyre any other special tools I might need? Any info is appreciated.
Author:  samse2101 [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
I prefer this How-to: http://colorado4wheel.com/content/KJ_TB.html

bye,
samse
Author:  k5robnp [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
thanks. Thats the one I was looking at as well
Author:  flman [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
GDEs is quicker! You do not have to disassemble as much.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/196 ... 20belt.pdf
Author:  geordi [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
Mine is really quick - hire someone fully experienced like me, and have your engine purring 3 hours after I arrive. :)
Author:  CATCRD [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
Quick tip before you remove the fan shroud to start. Find the screws that hold the shroud on. They thread into little square nuts that hide in plastic pockets. Pack those pockets with black RTV the night before so it holds the nuts in place when you remove the bolts. That way they don't fall out or shift around.
Author:  flman [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
geordi wrote:
Mine is really quick - hire someone fully experienced like me, and have your engine purring 3 hours after I arrive. :)


Do you disassemble the entire front end as well? :|

I agree, they do get quicker each and every time, I assume 3 hrs is not you max speed?
Author:  geordi [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
No, I don't disassemble the entire front end. Hardly any as a matter of fact. The only things I want to unbolt should be directly related to getting to the timing components. My fastest time is about 2 hours and 15 minutes, it is a bit longer b/c I explain things to the owners and usually have to fight with a bolt or two (like that dammn fan) on each one.

3 hours is a safe estimate hood-to-hood. What is your best time?


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Author:  papaindigo [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:11 am ]
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Be sure to set those fan shroud bolts in a "special" place or better yet "store" them until reinstall in the nuts. The length of those bolts is critical. If you mix things up and use longer bolts you will punch a hole in the radiator.
Author:  jws84_02 [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
Dang 3 hours is fast. My 1st and only took me 12 hours
Author:  kjjet [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
samse2101 wrote:
I prefer this How-to: http://colorado4wheel.com/content/KJ_TB.html

bye,
samse


This information is great with exception of the installation of the belt and cam sprockets. The cam sprockets are to be loose and the holding tool off the engine during the belt installation. No making marks with sharpie markers nothing holding the belt in place other than a vise grip at the crank. Like this:

[color=#FF0000] Install a small vise grip at the crankshaft to hold the belt in place while installing the belt (not on the belt, just using the tip of the vice grip to hold the belt in the crank grove) start counter clockwise starting with the fuel pump, idler pulley, cam shaft sprockets, idler pulley, water pump and lastly over the newly installed timing belt tensioner.[/color]

See viewtopic.php?f=5&t=78018&start=20 to see the correct way.

Good luck
KJJET
Author:  flman [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
geordi wrote:
No, I don't disassemble the entire front end. Hardly any as a matter of fact. The only things I want to unbolt should be directly related to getting to the timing components. My fastest time is about 2 hours and 15 minutes, it is a bit longer b/c I explain things to the owners and usually have to fight with a bolt or two (like that dammn fan) on each one.

3 hours is a safe estimate hood-to-hood. What is your best time?


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I kind of figured you would not go for the long methodical method. :roll:

I am not sure of my time, the first time was long, the second time was for the infamous pump we thought needed replacement (I told you you gave me a bad fortune :ROTFL: ), the 3rd time was for the head gasket. But the timing belt seemed trivial on the 2nd and 3rd. I will be sure to take the time next time?
Author:  kjjet [ Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
I never really timed it. Usually start in the AM taking it apart, Clean everything up real well and put everything back together after lunch. Taking my time it takes most of a day. No big rush.
Author:  geordi [ Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
I'm still plenty methodical and clean the stuff... But after 15 of these, I can probably do it with my eyes shut, ya know? There are things that don't need to be done from the factory process, and things that take longer to explain than to just do them.

I also have a small power tool setup that helps in pulling the 1700 tiny bolts that hold the cover on. That speeds things up a lot.
Author:  Hexus [ Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:08 pm ]
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Last one I did was a front-end removal, rockers/lifters/belt/pump/thermostat. I did it start to finish in 13 hours with removing the whole front end except the pressurized part (Trans cooler/AC).

I felt pretty good about that one.
Author:  flman [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
geordi wrote:
I'm still plenty methodical and clean the stuff... But after 15 of these, I can probably do it with my eyes shut, ya know? There are things that don't need to be done from the factory process, and things that take longer to explain than to just do them.

I also have a small power tool setup that helps in pulling the 1700 tiny bolts that hold the cover on. That speeds things up a lot.


Methodical, meaning removing the grill, rad support and a bunch of other necessary parts.

I wish I had a 90 degree cordless drill for those 17 bolts, they are a pain. I might just get one next time? Or sooner, lots of times I wish I had one.
Author:  kjjet [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
flman wrote:
geordi wrote:
I'm still plenty methodical and clean the stuff... But after 15 of these, I can probably do it with my eyes shut, ya know? There are things that don't need to be done from the factory process, and things that take longer to explain than to just do them.

I also have a small power tool setup that helps in pulling the 1700 tiny bolts that hold the cover on. That speeds things up a lot.


Methodical, meaning removing the grill, rad support and a bunch of other necessary parts.

I wish I had a 90 degree cordless drill for those 17 bolts, they are a pain. I might just get one next time? Or sooner, lots of times I wish I had one.


!/4 inch air ratchet works great.
Author:  k5robnp [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
Good to hear all of you folks have done a pile of these. This is my first but Ive built plenty of motors. Just rented the tool from GDE last night, hopefully it comes soon. Gonna start the tear down tonight. The thing started making a chirping noise at idle...... so we parked it. It sounds like the bearings in an idler somewhere are going out. It only makes the sound at idle, goes away with any kind of RPM at all. Hoping its nothing major.
Author:  DOC4444 [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
Check alternator pulley for red dust. Probably needs a decoupler. May be easier to go with rebuilt alternator.

DOC
Author:  k5robnp [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting Ready to do the timing belt and water pump
okay thanks for the tip. Every time I have checked it has been engaged and when we first got it it was intermittent. I did also notice some red dust... Is that how much does the de coupler run in comparison to a new alternator?
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