A couple of people on another forum mentioned that their dealers had told them that so far, the only CRD's that had ended up needeing EGR replacement at their service depts had build dates prior to May '05.

With just a couple of reports, I'd tend to write this off to coincidence. However, when looking at the TSB's at the DC Tech Authority website, I came across something that may coroborate this.

In the TSB for EGR replacement, as part of the procedure, it directs the tech to check and see if TSB 18-018-05, reprogramming the ECM, has been performed, and if not, to do it.

I checked TSB 18-018-05. It reprograms the ECM, and is supposed to be performed by the dealer at the first scheduled service on all CRD's WITH A BUILD DATE PRIOR TO MAY 15 2005. As part of the TSB, a vehicle modification sticker is supposed to be installed under the hood, giving the pertinent info.

Mine was built May 11 '05, and it doesn't have the sticker. Guess I'll be having a little talk with the dealer.

Those of you who have had your EGR replaced and are still getting DTC's and other problems, if they didn't perform this additional TSB, it may explain why you're still having problems.

The one big question is then -

Has anyone that has had to have their EGR replaced have a build date AFTER May '05?

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

I have that TSB in PDF format and have posted it here (I thought) and at another forum back before Christmas. Here it is again and I have about 10 or 12 of these including the one about tranny having wrong filters.

NUMBER: 18-018-05
GROUP: Vehicle Performance
DATE: May 06, 2005

THE DRBIII® FLASH FILES FOR THIS BULLETIN ARE AVAILABLE VIA THE
INTERNET. THE DRBIII® FLASH FILES FOR THIS BULLETIN ARE AVAILABLE ON
DealerCONNECT.
THE DRBIII® SOFTWARE UPDATE CD CONTAINS ALL PREVIOUSLY RELEASED
FLASH FILES PRIOR TO THE CD RELEASE DATE PRINTED ON THE CD LABEL.
FOR MARKETS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA, THE FLASH
FILES AND REPROGRAMMING INSTRUCTIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON ITIL/ISIS
DVD JUNE, 2005.
SUBJECT:
Flash: Improved Engine Run-Up After Warm Restart And Other Improvements
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Engine
Control Module
(ECM) with new software.
MODELS:
2005 (KJ) Liberty/Cherokee (All Markets)
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 2.8L diesel engine
(sales
code ENR) built prior to MAY 15, 2005 (MDH 0515XX).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The Engine Control Module (ECM) new software addresses the following
possible
conditions and/or improvements:
1. A Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) Illumination due to:
. P0234 - Boost Pressure Sensor Negative Deviation
. P0335 - Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit Incorrect Or Missing Signal
. P0339 - Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit Intermittent Incorrect Or
Missing Signal
. P0340 - Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Signal Plausibility Or Missing
Signal
. P0344 - Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Intermittent Signal Plausibility
Or Missing
Signal
2. Improved engine glow plug system robustness.
3. Improved engine run-up immediately following a warm engine restart.
4. Improved engine idle stability.
NUMBER: 18-018-05
GROUP: Vehicle Performance
DATE: May 06, 2005
DIAGNOSIS:
Using a Scan Tool (DRBIII®) and the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures,
verify all engine
systems are functioning as designed. If DTC's are present record them on the
repair order
and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this service
bulletin.
If the vehicle is in for service perform the Repair Procedure.
PARTS REQUIRED:
Qty. Part No. Description
1 04275086AB Label, Authorized Modification
SPECIAL TOOLS/EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:
NPN Battery Charger
CH2002 General Purpose Interface Bus Cable Assembly
CH6000A Scan Tool (DRBIII®)
CH7000A/7001A J1962 Cable with red DRBIII® connector
TechCONNECT Workstation
ITIL/ISIS PC
NOTE: An updated J1962 cable has been released. This cable has a red colored
connector at the DRBIII® connection. Use this cable whenever a flash is
being performed.
REPAIR PROCEDURE FOR DOMESTIC VEHICLES USING DRBIII®:
NOTE: Whenever a controller is programmed, the software in the DRBIII®; must
be
programmed with the latest revision level available.
NOTE: If this flash process is interrupted/aborted, the flash should be
restarted and
then follow the directions on the DRBIII®.
1. Before beginning the reprogramming procedure, remove any old flash
reprogramming
files from the DRBIII® memory. To clear the memory from the MAIN MENU:
a. Simultaneously press the "MORE" and "YES" keys.
b. A screen will appear requesting a "COLD BOOT".
c. Follow the on screen instructions by selecting the "F4" key.
d. When the DRBIII® reboots to the MAIN MENU, proceed to Step #2
2. With the ignition switch in the "RUN" position, determine the original
part number of the
ECM currently in the vehicle. Using the DRBIII® select:
a. "DRBIII® Standalone"
b. "1998 - 2005 Diagnostics"
c. "All (Except Below)"
d. "Engine"
e. "Module Display"
f. Record the "ECM part #" on the repair order for later reference.
18-018-05 -2-
3. Connect the DRBIII® to TechCONNECT. Open TechTOOLS and verify that the
"DRBIII® Status: Connected" message is in the upper right corner of the
TechTOOLS
screen.
4. Enter the "ECM part #" recorded in Step #2 in the "Parts Criteria" area
and select
"Show Updates". TechTOOLS will populate the available updates.
5. Select the calibration.
6. Select the "DRBIII" radio button which is next to the "Download/Update"
button.
7. Select the "Download/Update" button.
8. Monitor the "Flash Download/Update Progress" window on the TechCONNECT
and
follow the instructions on TechCONNECT. When the flash process is complete,
proceed to Step #9.
9. Disconnect the DRBIII® from TechCONNECT.
10. Open the hood, install a battery charger and verify that charging rate
provides
approximately 13.5 volts.
11. Connect the DRBIII® to the vehicle.
12. Turn the ignition switch to the "Run" position (engine not running).
13. Reprogram the ECM by downloading the flash from the DRBIII® to the
vehicle. Using
the DRBIII® select:
a. "Vehicle Flash"
b. Follow the directions on the DRBIII® screen. When the flash process is
complete,
proceed to the next step.
NOTE: Due to the ECM programming procedure, a DTC may be set in other
modules
(TCM, BCM, MIC, SKIM, etc.) within the vehicle, if so equipped. Some DTC's
may cause the MIL to illuminate. Check all modules using "Module Scan",
record the DTC's, and erase these DTC's prior to returning the vehicle to
the
customer. Erase any DTC's in the ECM only after all other modules have had
their DTC's erased.
NOTE: The following step is required by law.
14. Type the necessary information on the "Authorized Modification Label"
p/n
04275086AB and attach near the VECI label (Fig. 1).
Fig. 1 AUTHORIZED MODIFICATION LABEL
1 - POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE P/N (INSERT P/N) USED
2 - CHANGE AUTHORITY: TSB XX-XXX-XX
3 - DEALER CODE: XXXXX
4 - DATE: XX-XX-XX
-3- 18-018-05
REPAIR PROCEDURE FOR EXPORT VEHICLES USING DRBIII®:
NOTE: Whenever a controller is programmed, the software in the DRBIII®; must
be
programmed with the latest revision level available.
NOTE: If this flash process is interrupted/aborted, the flash should be
restarted and
then follow the directions on the DRBIII®.
1. Before beginning the reprogramming procedure, remove any old flash
reprogramming
files from the DRBIII® memory. To clear the memory from the MAIN MENU:
a. Simultaneously press the "MORE" and "YES" keys.
b. A screen will appear requesting a "COLD BOOT".
c. Follow the on screen instructions by selecting the "F4" key.
d. When the DRBIII® reboots to the MAIN MENU, proceed to Step #2
2. With the ignition switch in the "RUN" position, determine the original
part number of the
ECM currently in the vehicle. Using the DRBIII® select:
a. "DRBIII® Standalone"
b. "1998 - 2005 Diagnostics"
c. "All (Except Below)"
d. "Engine"
e. "Module Display"
f. Record the "ECM part #" on the repair order for later reference.
g. Disconnect the DRBIII® from the vehicle.
h. Connect the DRBIII® to the ITIL/ISIS PC and NULL modem cable.
3. Log into DealerCONNECT. Proceed to: Service / Repair - Flash.
4. Select vehicle Year, Model, and Engine (YME). Then select the "Submit"
button at the
bottom of the screen.
5. Compare the calibration part number available for flash reprogramming to
the module
part number recorded earlier. Select the new calibration if applicable.
6. Download the new calibration to the PC.
7. Using the "DRBIII - WINFLASH II" application on the PC, download the
flash
calibration file to the DRBIII® from the PC.
8. Disconnect the DRBIII® from the PC and NULL modem cable.
9. Open the hood, install a battery charger and verify that charging rate
provides
approximately 13.5 volts.
10. Connect the DRBIII® to the vehicle.
11. Turn the ignition switch to the "Run" position (engine not running).
12. Reprogram the ECM by downloading the flash from the DRBIII® to the
vehicle. Using
the DRBIII® select:
a. "Vehicle Flash"
b. Follow the directions on the DRBIII® screen. When the flash process is
complete,
proceed to the next step.
NOTE: Due to the ECM programming procedure, a DTC may be set in other
modules
(TCM, BCM, MIC, SKIM, etc.) within the vehicle, if so equipped. Some DTC's
may cause the MIL to illuminate. Check all modules using "Module Scan",
record the DTC's, and erase these DTC's prior to returning the vehicle to
the
customer. Erase any DTC's in the ECM only after all other modules have had
their DTC's erased.
NOTE: The following step is required by law.
18-018-05 -4-
13. Type the necessary information on the "Authorized Modification Label"
p/n
04275086AB and attach near the VECI label (Fig. 1).
POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.
TIME ALLOWANCE:
Labor Operation No: Description Amount
08-19-43-92 Reprogram Engine Control Module 0.8 Hrs.
FAILURE CODE:
FM Flash Module
-5- 18-018-05

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

That makes sense, We have a 2006 and have had no EGR issues at all. I assume all the 2006's would have a build data after May 2005 and would have the new ECU code...

PS, how does one check the build date?

Should have a sticker on door or door frame. Mine is July of '05 so I haven't been worried too much about the problem.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

Ah, thats too easy, Mine was 9-05.

If this holds up, beginning to wonder if I should trade up to an '06, 8500 miles and only owe 6 grand on this one. Dealer had 3 '06 Sport CRD's with EVIC overhead console and tow package last time I was over there. And with what I've learned here and from my experiences with this one, could tweak in the new one right from the beginning. But my grandmother's Scottish heritage will probably kick in and decide not to, I hate making car payments any longer than I have to - before the CRD, last time I bought a car was in '87.

Anyway, original question still stands - anyone with a build date after May '05 had to have their EGR replaced?

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

With a July '05 build date the only problem I have had is the wrong filter in tranny that was taken care of under a TSB.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

Not I. Only thing that I've had is the tranny filter thing that threw a CEL a while back. It's in the shop now and they're fixing a rear passenger window molding, new oil and filters, and checing EGR, MAF and ball-joints. New window molding left me in the loaner GMC Canyon for one more day (I want my Jeep back). Got the call today and there was nothing wrong with EGR, MAF or ball-joints.

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_______________________DogDomain_______________________

June of 2005 build date. No EGR problems with 16,000 miles.

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2007 Wrangler Unlimted X 4x4 (Wife's Daily Driver)

2005 Toyota Tundra V8 4X4 TRD (ebay baby!!)

1984 Jeep CJ7 (Toy)

Bonehead posted about a June 05 build date needing an egr replacement. It was on another thread. Doesn't seem to be holding up.

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2005 LTD CRD RB1 NAV/Htd Leather seats/Amsoil EA filters
SunCoast Mega Trans & Billet TC/PML pan/Aux cooler
Fuel cooler/Lift Pump/10um Pri/Racor R490 2um Sec Fuel Filters
IronMan Lift/Shocks/Provent/Moog ball joints/ V6 Airbox/Fan/Hayden
Cobalt Boost/EGT/Oil/Trans/Volt gauges/Aeroturbine 2525
Yeti Hot Tune/Odessey 65/Samco's/Michelin Defenders

Dang! Was hoping that at least some of us would be out of the woods on this.

More I check into it, it seems that the EGR needing service on a diesel is more a matter of when than if. Even the Freightliner big rigs, from what I'm hearing, have had their share of teething problems with EGR's since '02. Seems to be one of those things like death and taxes that you just can't avoid, only delay for as long as possible with proper care and maintenance.

Only thing left is to wait and see if ULSD has any beneficial effect in slowing the process.

BTW, dealer called this afternoon and the Jeep is ready. Instead of performing 18-018-05, as I thought from their phone call yesterday, turns out they actually performed 18-009-06. They said that 009-06 is the updated version and supercedes 018-05. Surprised the heck out of me, I had these guys pegged as a bunch of losers based on yesterday's phone call and what happened. But they busted rear, got the pinion seal in today even after the miscommunication, and actually performed the updated version of the TSB without my having to ask. Perhaps they're not totally without hope.

Anyhow, word from them is that TSB 18-009-06 supercedes the older 18-018-05 TSB. I'll go out on a limb and assume that applies to performing the EGR replacement TSB as well.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

You guys that are running B20 and higher, are you having the EGR problems too?

which dealer are you going to now?




I run B20 about every other tank.

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2007 Wrangler Unlimted X 4x4 (Wife's Daily Driver)

2005 Toyota Tundra V8 4X4 TRD (ebay baby!!)

1984 Jeep CJ7 (Toy)

I looked up this TSB and I guess Mitch made a typo as the TSB is 18-008-06 or dealer was off one number. This TSB was issued '07 March and is as stated is for torque converter and glow plugs for improved operation and durability, and improved SKIM operation.

Just now made an appointement to have it done tomorrow and the service mgr was supprised it listed 1.8 hrs for the operation instead of the usual .8 hr that other reflashs have been given.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

Now I'm REALLY confused. I JUST got off the phone with the place in Kokomo, IN I bought my jeep from (over 100 miles away) and they confirmed that 18-009-06 does exist for the 2005 models AND that 18-008-06 is ONLY for 2006 models...

And they won't do it for me either!

You guys need better dealers


I called mine up, gave them the TSB number and made an appointment for Tuesday.

Its called the SERVICE department, you might want to remind them of that, lol...


On a side note. The new Diesels require a different scantool of sorts, the cannot use the standard DRB III that dealers use for flashing all of the other ECU's. I wasn't able to have it done this weekend because their deisel tech is the only one certified to do it (and has the new programmer). So that might be an issue with other dealers.

FINALLY, I found ONE dealer out of 14 tries all over Indiana that will committ to doing both 21-016-05 AND 18-009-06 for me on Monday. Why the heck does this have to be SO hard?

Nope, not a typo. As someone else said, 008-06 is for 2006 CRD's, 009-06 is for 2005 CRD's. I subscribed to DC Tech Authority On LIne for 24 hours, and printed them off straight from the horse's, uh, mouth so to speak (yes, I was tempted to mention the other end of the horse for a second). I looked under both 2005 and 2006 model years. 008-06 has been out for a while, 009-06 is dated March 14. 009-06 also mentions adressing the P0504 code for the brake switch.

Reason for the difference in time may be is that they're reprogramming both the ECM and TCM, you have to go thru the entire procedure for both one at a time.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

Been running B20 full time if possible, no EGR problems yet. Dealer I'm going to is Abernethy CJD in Lincolnton NC.

Guys, there's an easy way to deal with this. Contact DC Customer Assistance by e-mail, phone, etc. Ask them specifically about this particular TSB, and if it is supposed to be performed on your vehicle regardless of whether or not it's having problems yet.

If the answer is yes, then tell them your dealer is refusing to perform the procedure and ask for their advice/assistance in getting it done.

At least with my dealership, they were willing to check with DC to see if the TSB needed to be performed regardless of problems with the vehicle. I took the tack with the service advisor that "Look, I'm not clear on if this should be performed whether or not I'm having problems. It sounds like a software upgrade, just like switching your computer from Windows 98 to Windows XP. All I'm asking is that you ask the service manager to check and see what DC says, to go ahead and do it regardless, or wait until the vehicle exhibits problems."

Apparently DC agreed with my interpretation.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

This TSB 18-008-06 is for '06 models and TSB 18-009-06 is for '05's sorry for the confusion. Too many similar numbers I guess.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine