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Author:  tedcarney [ Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Crd lifter replacement
Got my 06 crd at my local mechanic to do some standard maintenance. I live a couple hours from the closest dealer, so taking it to one is a major pain. One of the lifters is making noise and he says to replace it. I called a dealer and he said no problem, pull the valve cover and rocker arm and you can replace a lifter in about 5 hours. My mechanic pulled up the online guidelines and they are telling him he has to pull the timing belt and the entire head to get at the lifters. My fear is the tech at the dealer is looking at the gas engine. Anyone know the procedure? Any help would be appreciated, trying to get it back for some trails with a group of friends this weekend.
Author:  Jay ne Ohio [ Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
The timing belt has to come off. The cam gears have to come off. The plate behind the timing belt. Then pull the injectors. Then remove the intake (the part with the cams in it). Install the new rocker/lifter. Reverse for reassembly. The head stays on unless there is a problem with a valve. I forget how many hours, but probably 2 days for no experience.

If you are opening that far and it has over 100k miles, then I would replace all the rockers/lifters while in there.
Author:  Mike92104 [ Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
Jay ne Ohio wrote:
The timing belt has to come off. The cam gears have to come off. The plate behind the timing belt. Then pull the injectors. Then remove the intake (the part with the cams in it). Install the new rocker/lifter. Reverse for reassembly. The head stays on unless there is a problem with a valve. I forget how many hours, but probably 2 days for no experience.

If you are opening that far and it has over 100k miles, then I would replace all the rockers/lifters while in there.


...and give some serious thought to a new head gasket and ARP studs. By the time you get to the rockers/lifters, you're 90% there.
Author:  tedcarney [ Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
Thanks for the feedback. Guess I will have to get it to the dealer.
Author:  Mike92104 [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
Where are you located? There are several members who are mechanics on this site that can do that job much better and cheaper than the dealer.
Author:  tedcarney [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver
Author:  jrsavoie [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
tedcarney wrote:
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver


A lot of people that have taken their CRD's to a dealer are sadly disappointed in about 20,000 miles or so. They do not get anything extra that really needs to be done, Like the tensioner double checked several times before it is called good.

At the dealership they slam it together and rarely double check, they do not check the rockers. They just change the belt and within about 20,000 miles you have huge issues. I've read about this happening several times and seen it in person once.

I do not know what you have done so far, but if you plan to keep the vehicle, I would go whole hog and do everything.

Right now the timing belt kit and everything associated with it, the head studs and new rockers.

The Weeks elbow, the Eco tune and the lift pump in the future.
Author:  greiswig [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
(Started a dedicated thread for my comment here. Sorry for the hijack.)
Author:  tedcarney [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
jrsavoie wrote:
tedcarney wrote:
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver


A lot of people that have taken their CRD's to a dealer are sadly disappointed in about 20,000 miles or so. They do not get anything extra that really needs to be done, Like the tensioner double checked several times before it is called good.

At the dealership they slam it together and rarely double check, they do not check the rockers. They just change the belt and within about 20,000 miles you have huge issues. I've read about this happening several times and seen it in person once.

I do not know what you have done so far, but if you plan to keep the vehicle, I would go whole hog and do everything.

Right now the timing belt kit and everything associated with it, the head studs and new rockers.

The Weeks elbow, the Eco tune and the lift pump in the future.


I just had it at a dealer in May to have the timing belt replaced because my local guy doesn't have the proper tools. They did recommend some other work, but didn't mention anything about the lifters or anything else inside the motor.
Author:  tedcarney [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
jrsavoie wrote:
tedcarney wrote:
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver


A lot of people that have taken their CRD's to a dealer are sadly disappointed in about 20,000 miles or so. They do not get anything extra that really needs to be done, Like the tensioner double checked several times before it is called good.

At the dealership they slam it together and rarely double check, they do not check the rockers. They just change the belt and within about 20,000 miles you have huge issues. I've read about this happening several times and seen it in person once.

I do not know what you have done so far, but if you plan to keep the vehicle, I would go whole hog and do everything.

Right now the timing belt kit and everything associated with it, the head studs and new rockers.

The Weeks elbow, the Eco tune and the lift pump in the future.



If I may ask, why did you have to put in a new engine at 142,000 miles. Is it even worth it at this point to keep putting money into this car?
Author:  jrsavoie [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
tedcarney wrote:
jrsavoie wrote:
tedcarney wrote:
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver


A lot of people that have taken their CRD's to a dealer are sadly disappointed in about 20,000 miles or so. They do not get anything extra that really needs to be done, Like the tensioner double checked several times before it is called good.

At the dealership they slam it together and rarely double check, they do not check the rockers. They just change the belt and within about 20,000 miles you have huge issues. I've read about this happening several times and seen it in person once.

I do not know what you have done so far, but if you plan to keep the vehicle, I would go whole hog and do everything.

Right now the timing belt kit and everything associated with it, the head studs and new rockers.

The Weeks elbow, the Eco tune and the lift pump in the future.



If I may ask, why did you have to put in a new engine at 142,000 miles. Is it even worth it at this point to keep putting money into this car?


I bought the Jeep as a basket case. I've never seen these engines before and ended up having to hire it done. We had to put a new engine in I suspect, because the dealer didn't do a proper job of installing the timing belt. The rockers went 17,000 miles after the belt was installed.

The previous owner took the jeep to a dealership that said they had a guy that was good with the CRD's.

Turned out he was a complete idiot. He took everything apart as far as he could. He lost the head gasket and did not label the injectors. He bent broke and lost other parts. Pat had his hand full working on this. At least he had some spare bolts and stuff to get things back together correctly.

We were looking at rebuilding - I already had the head checked out and a parts list to order.

We priced a new engine and got a list of everything that was supposed to be included. We made our decision based on that list and after reconfirming several times with the dealer.

I ordered the extra stuff I wanted on a new engine. Green tune, FS2500, lift pump and maybe a couple other items.

The engine came in as a long block. and I already had all this other stuff bought. Had I not had the other stuff there already, I would have gone back to the rebuild plan A.

Plan A was to get the Jeep running and sell it. Not to put a bunch of extras on. I've never been all that trusting of rebuilds and these Jeeps seem to be expensive to maintain. Sp I was just going to sell it with no extras invested.

With the new engine I was hoping for a fuel miser that would last a long time without issues.

No fuel miser here. It gets slightly better than our 6.5 GM's and they are dependable for a lot of miles and much more usable.

Would I do it again? Heck no. But I'm in it booty deep now, so hopefully we can drive it long enough to get our money's worth out of it.

If the dealership hadn't promised all the parts would be on the engine that were not there, I would have just installed a used engine or rebuilt.

Can't say I'll ever buy a Jeep or Chrysler product again. 2 heavy screwings from 2 different dealers

I think I'm into the Jeep for about $16,000 now. And it doesn't act like it's done eating yet.

I'm also used to putting 3 to 500,000 miles on my vehicles. I had heard from people that didn't know, that this would be a good running low maintenance vehicle. On the lines of the 6.5 diesels I have. New injectors for the 6.5's are about $500 every 100,000 miles. The timing chain will last up to 500,000 miles or more. I know I drove one that long. We've got close to or over 300,000 on all of our 6.5's. We've replaced 2 transmissions, 4 Fuel filter Managers, about 10 PMD's, 6 lift pumps and one injection pump so far other than normal maintenance. That's about $5000 dollars worth of repairs - not including maintenance items - I am including front end work in maintenance items - in a total of about 2 million miles. With a total of about $25,000 invested in the vehicles at purchase
Author:  jrsavoie [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
If you had it at a dealer to get the work done, I would take it someplace else to get their workmanship checked or sell it / trade it before it goes kaput.

tedcarney wrote:
jrsavoie wrote:
tedcarney wrote:
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver


A lot of people that have taken their CRD's to a dealer are sadly disappointed in about 20,000 miles or so. They do not get anything extra that really needs to be done, Like the tensioner double checked several times before it is called good.

At the dealership they slam it together and rarely double check, they do not check the rockers. They just change the belt and within about 20,000 miles you have huge issues. I've read about this happening several times and seen it in person once.

I do not know what you have done so far, but if you plan to keep the vehicle, I would go whole hog and do everything.

Right now the timing belt kit and everything associated with it, the head studs and new rockers.

The Weeks elbow, the Eco tune and the lift pump in the future.


I just had it at a dealer in May to have the timing belt replaced because my local guy doesn't have the proper tools. They did recommend some other work, but didn't mention anything about the lifters or anything else inside the motor.
Author:  thermorex [ Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crd lifter replacement
tedcarney wrote:
Grand lake, co. About two hours nw of Denver

Pm Sir Sam, the author of the noob guide, he lives nearby. And compared to the dealer Muppets, he knows what he's doing.

As an advice, get all 16 rockers from idparts.com, under 400 and well worth it, since you have issues with one lifter, more than likely others are starting to get tired.
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