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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:28 pm 
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Been a hectic calving season around here, about all I got done on the Jeep was read, post some, and inhale parts prices and sources!

I believe I finally have 'the' final list of parts ready to send in! Yippee. I guess I can go a year without health insurance.

Still looking for my previously purchased Stage II kit, and motor mounts.. They'll turn up, someplace weird, like the glovebox :roll:
I verified I do not have a cracked cylinder liner.. just a scratch that really caught the light funny.

I used my SuperScraper(tm) to prep the block deck. I really love that scraper! It's a wood handled flat bladed scraper, with a carbide tip. It absolutely chops through rust and gasket material, right down to the base metal. Neat thing about it, even on aluminum surfaces, it's very forgiving.
Almost impossible to get wreckless with it. If it ever gets 'dull', just send it in to the company and they'll put a new edge on it. Even brand new, it doesn't feel 'sharp'. My machinist was bragging his has scraped over 300 engines, and still has the original edge. Just don't drop it. Carbide is not shock resistant at all.
I held the shop vac just ahead where I was scraping, and 99% of the debris got sucked up before it could fall into oblivion... or worse!
I'll post the parts list and grand total soon.

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11-3-14 oem stat installed
11-5-14 gen II FH installed.
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I've dealt with wood machining for a dozen or so years, so have some experience with carbide vs steel.
There are various grades of both, but generally carbide is brittle and lasts 2-3+ times as long as steel before needing sharpened, but will never take as fine (sharp) an edge as good steel.

Carbide is preferred for large long component runs for it's resistance to glue-line imprinting and long lasting edge, but shatters easily. For specialty items or small runs with exotic woods, knife steel is preferred to lower the possibility of wood grain tearing or splintering causing reject components.

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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
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The cutting carbide, a 'square' much like a keystock, is brazed to the tool. It doesn't feel 'sharp', it's weird to explain! All I know it's the most durable, safe way (me and the parts) to 'really get it done' I've found!

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Got it.

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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:00 pm 
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Parts are trickling in!

Already had the rockers on hand,
ARP's showed up yesterday.
Waiting on;
'Good used head' (take-off from a warrantee/test/development engine) with very low hours. Been tested and checked. My machinist is swamped for another 2 months.. so this will have to do for now.

Gates TB kit minus the water pump. They only offered the OEM version, and their aftermarket one didn't have some hole or boss for a bracket. Weird. Anyway, I'll score a Graf pump elsewhere, considerably cheaper than the OEM pump.

Head removal gasket kit Includes HG, intake, exhaust, injector washers and O-rings, turbo to manifold gasket, turbo oil feed return grommet. I think the WP gasket too, but that should also be included in the pump.

Front and rear crank seals.

So far, I'm $1450 'deep' This includes shipping and bank wire charges to England. My local bank wanted 60 bucks for the 'fees'.. I found an online wire service that did it for 9 bucks.

So, at this time, I'm at $1450 for
16 rockers
1 head
gaskets
ARP's
both crank seals
TB kit.

Before I checked the box for which HG I need, I measured everything and confirmed I do indeed need a 1 hole gasket.
I've never worked on an engine without first confirming the liner is sitting up to spec.. This one is no different. If they aren't where they need to be, or sunk, there are other issues that need addressing long before the head is bolted on. All 4 were in spec; zero to .0019 protrusion.
Anyway, since I had my measuring tools out to measure liner protrusion, I went ahead and measured the pistons for their protrusion. Bingo. all in 'spec' for the 1 hole gasket Love it when everything is copasetic to the chart!!
I'll have pics of this procedure next time.

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11-3-14 oem stat installed
11-5-14 gen II FH installed.
Sasquatch elbow kit, samcos, GDE eco FT. 11-26-14
80,500 miles, engine is disassembled, awaiting parts 3/18
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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:27 pm 
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Great post rancherman.
Especially on measuring and selecting the correct thickness head gasket based on liner and piston protrusion.
One size DOES NOT fit all! :!:
Measurements and Clearances DO matter!

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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:25 pm 
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Been a busy, normal type spring, and it rained today. Thought I'd get some pics of what I've done over the past couple weeks.

I've dealt with 'wet liners' for most of my days. I know what is acceptable, and what isn't. I also know liners are not a 'set it, and forget it' type part. They must not be taken for granted. This engine is no different in this regard. Granted, a 80k mile engine shouldn't even be a 'blip' on the radar in this area..
Clearances and interference fits can change, due to a couple things; Corrosion, erosion, improper engine heat-up, cool down, running at too low a temp, or just plain old galling of parts together.
Diesels, have much thicker parts. These parts retain heat longer, and tend to expand a little more than their gasser counterparts. These clearances are factored into the design, and when at optimum operating temp, final clearances and fitment are achieved. At that time, diesels are as tough as a bag of hammers. Before that temp is 'hit', moving parts tend to be a little on the loose side, and not very appreciative of full power bursts.
Everything tends to 'hammer' a little more when cold, and not expanded yet.
I've seen the after effects of what we call a 'dropped liner'. The liner gets it's interference fit ate away from poor coolant, poor original fitment, erosion, and the above mentioned running too hard at too cold a temp. Shutting down before temps have a chance to equalize has it's part too.

What usually happens, quite quickly too, is exhaust gasses are escaping past the liner 'step'.. first sign is coolant being pressurized, and sent out the overflow. Very quickly, the 'torching' and corrosion caused by mixing of exhaust gas will eat out even more of the interference fit. It's all over then, folks!! It's just a matter of miles before the liner itself can bob up and down inside it's parent bore. It gets real ugly, real fast. Don't ask. Coolant makes a very poor lubricant, and the block usually is destroyed.
I think the raised part of the liner, (the part that extends up through the gasket) actually helps as a protective device too. Helps shield the blast away from the edges of the laminated gasket, and should greatly reduce any erosion/torching effect it may have. Plus, it also protects the sharp corner of the piston when it's @ tdc. Can't have the top 'hanging out'!!!


So, unlike any other diesel I've had apart, I took the time to measure the liner protrusion..
I'm glad I did. Pissed too.

I used a simple bridge dial indicator. I had to buy a new one because my original one is for 5-6 inch cylinder bores, and mine was too large.
From this point, I'll be using 'inch' measurements. This is what my test equipment is set up with. I'll make the necessary conversions to mm. as I go.Image

So, starting at Cylinder #1, I checked 4 locations of the liner. East, West, North, South.
Also just for fun, measured the 'ring' that extends the actual cylinder above deck, and then the actual piston protrusion, also above deck.
Pistons measured right above the wrist pin area, so not to be affected by 'rockering' within the cylinder itself. Mine all were .021 - .0215 inch above deck.Image
For those that are curious, my 'ring' protrusion was .041 inch on all 4 cylinders. No problem even using the thinnest gasket. .0519 is the thinnest one available. In these terms, a hundredth of an inch is as good as a mile. (.0519 minus .041 equals .0109 inch ) Mine came from Italy with a one hole gasket (.0559) So tons of room there. Tons of room for the so called issue of liner to head interference.. I still can't understand how someone got their liner to 'hit' the bottom of the head.. My gasket was a 1 holer for the piston to valve clearance. Don't confuse the two. When piston is @tdc, the closed valve actually is sitting within the valve pockets that are machined into the piston top. That clearance is .71-.86mm. This is why a certain head gasket is selected.

Onward ho.
This pic shows one of the 2 out of the 4 cylinders that actually 'just barely' made spec. 0.000 protrusion @ gasket area. Image

Cylinder #1 was the worst, getting progressively better as I went rearward. #4 actually was 'almost' good to go.

So, to sum up this test,
#1 cylinder was 'sunk' The worst side was along the exhaust side of the block. It measured .00075 below deck. Mid point, the position where the cylinders are closest together, measured .0005 below deck. Intake side; 0.000

#2 cylinder; .0005 below deck, along exhaust side, - .00025 @ mid point, and intake side showed 0.000.

#3 cylinder, .00025 below along exhaust side, .0000 mid point, and intake side was .0000
#4 cylinder; .0000 on Exhaust side, + .0005 mid point, and intake side was also a positive .0005

When talking about tenths of thousandths, I'm talking about a miniscule amount. The problem I have is this is in the wrong direction. I'll be able to tell once I get the liners out, what has relaxed, or galled away. I'm not too worried about the difference in high to low .00075 from one side to the other. Getting it all 'above' deck is far more important. I do also own a cylinder liner bore trimmer, that basically 'trues up' a inconsistent parent bore.. I really hope it doesn't come to that. If those bores also measure only .00075 variance , I'll just leave them alone.

After really inspecting the deck surface, and the head gasket, I found areas that may not have 'officially' blown, but it wasn't far off!
There is no way a 'sunk' liner, can give enough 'bite' in order to seal. FSM wants a .000 - .0019 protrusion, (on new installs) no mention of what to look for on 'in service' engines. I've talked to VM specialists recently. They recommend 'pushing' the protrusion all the way up to .0024! Hopefully, with the shim kit, I can obtain somewhere between .001 and .002. It's all about what's in the box of shims! And hopefully, I can also maintain 'evenness' from liner to liner. We certainly don't want to see one liner sitting at .001, and the next one at .002, etc...

So, this ~80k mile engine actually shows more signs of it being a half million mile thumper.

I have changed my order of parts to include liner shims and O-rings, piston rings, (yep, I sent vmspecialist my serial number, and they said they have them, yippee, no need to buy new pistons!! rod bearings, and rod bolts. Glad they hadn't sent out the original order!!
Before I pop out the liners, I'll knock out the pistons, and crank. I'll run a ball hone down a little to give me a new finish. I just happen to have a 320 grit ball hone for this size cylinder..
Then I'll go ahead and pop out the liners. Running a hone on top of an installed crank is dirty business.. so I'll make life easier and pop it out beforehand.

Next; hanging the engine on 'big bertha'.

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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 6:37 pm 
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My piston protrusion measured .021 inch (.533mm). Using this chart,

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We find that I actually could've been happy with the no-hole gasket.. and still keep with allowable minimum clearances. .71 - .86mm seems to be the range. All three gaskets put this clearance in this zone. I believe this to be the MINIMUM AMOUNT, not the desired 'range'. .71mm is .027 inch.
So, taking my .021 piston protrusion, .056 head gasket, I actually have a .035 inch piston-to-head clearance.
Before I get real cocky on how much 'clearance' I seem to have, (top of piston to bottom of head) I need to measure how much my valves protrude, and also how deep the valve pocket is...then do the math. I'll bet that is where I'll be more 'in line' with what the chart shows.
Chart only says 'piston clearance'. Doesn't say 'what part'. LOL
At this time, I have no problem with playing it safe, and going with the next thicker gasket.. As is evident by what I pulled off this engine, and what is shown in the chart. I plan on putting a one hole back on, to replace the one hole that came off.. There is only .0039 inch difference between each thickness.
NEVER GO BACKWARDS!!
But, on the other hand, why didn't VM just go with the 'safe bet', and put a thick one in all their engines??



But I need to remember; This engine hasn't been run for several months, and my piston protrusion actually may be less. Oil is gone from the main bearings, rod bearings, and wrist pins.. the piston is as low as it can be. Everything has settled 'down'.
Proper measuring would be to reach up through the bottom of the engine, and push up on the bottom of the piston to 'max' out all the clearances. After all, that piston is going to fling out from momentum on the top of it's stroke! It may not be much of a difference, but it's got to be 'some'.

I hope to find the rod bearings in good shape. If they are, I won't separate the main bearing modules.. just remove the crank.
I'll get new rod bearings and rod bolts to put back together. I really don't like to reuse a bearing, no matter how good it looks. 'one time crush to fit'.. and rod bolts are less than a buck ten each...

But before I get the cart in front of the horse yet again on this simple 'TB change'... I better make dang sure the crank isn't needing attention!!

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11-3-14 oem stat installed
11-5-14 gen II FH installed.
Sasquatch elbow kit, samcos, GDE eco FT. 11-26-14
80,500 miles, engine is disassembled, awaiting parts 3/18
Budget?? Sure! 'Everything I have'.
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rancherman wrote:
...why didn't VM...

If I had a penny for every time THAT question came up .$.$.$

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GordnadoCRD wrote:
rancherman wrote:
...why didn't VM...

If I had a penny for every time THAT question came up .$.$.$


I'd PAY a buck for the definitive answer. :roll:

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80,500 miles, engine is disassembled, awaiting parts 3/18
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Very Good writeup! Thanks for sharing.
And as I have stated in some of our back and forth PM's; there is a reason for all the measurements and clearance requirements per the FSM.
Building an engine and using the correct factory specifications and specified parts and gaskets based on real numbers is the main difference between shade tree mechanics and professional mechanics who strive to do it properly every time. :wink:

Keep us posted as to your findings and progress. I hope you find no surprises going forward... :roll:

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Well, after dropping 'big bertha' on my right foot this afternoon, I managed to break 2 toes. So i'll be hobbling around for half the summer.. I did however get the adapter plate built to hang the engine on before screwing up the rest of the day! :oops: So much for 'professionalism' :oops:
I built the engine stand to support 3000# large diesels.. and itself pushes 800#s..
There are no wheels, (main caps need to be 550 ft lbs on some of my engines, so definitely need something that stays put!!) so the only way to move it is by forklift, or today, roll the cherry picker into it, snag it, and wheel it around via the picker's wheels, then set it down where I need it. I didn't see that the stand was hung up on the cherry picker leg... and basically free fell the last 6 inches when I didn't see the carry chain was unhooked.

I'm just glad it didn't 'separate' those toes from the rest of me!

I'll be real interested in the imprint pattern on the liner shims.. especially the ones that are below spec.

I'll spare you the 'imprint' pattern of my toes.. :roll:

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:dizzy: :( ohhhhhhhh, man I sympathize. Done my share of " :furious: What the heck did I do that for?" things. Glad you didn't lose any bodyparts.

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OUCH!!!!! I know that hurt like hell. :furious:
Sorry for your misfortune, be careful going forward.
Remember, "All accidents are preventable". Yea I know, a little late..... :banghead:

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Got the lil' puffer hung with care!

Knocked out an adapter to utilize several holes on the passenger side of the block. They were all in the same 'plane' so it was easy to pattern.
Simple 3/8 X 5" material
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Bolted to the block. In my haste and throbbing foot yesterday, I welded it too quickly, and warped the face. I shimmed out the low spots as to not distort the block when the bolts were snugged up. If I do this more often, i'll take the adapter in to be milled flat.
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Here is what it bolts to;
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And finally;
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Simple turn of a 'crank' and it does this, and HOLDS position with extreme authority;
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So, time to hoover up the floor, spic and span... and totally gut this fish.

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GordnadoCRD wrote:
:dizzy: :( ohhhhhhhh, man I sympathize. Done my share of " :furious: What the heck did I do that for?" things. Glad you didn't lose any bodyparts.


me too! Kiss that big nail bye-bye! Not sure how well the ball joint :roll: in that big toe is going to be... might be a little on the 'stiff' side
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11-3-14 oem stat installed
11-5-14 gen II FH installed.
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80,500 miles, engine is disassembled, awaiting parts 3/18
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:shock: THAT is COOL!! EDIT: The engine stand... :P (The toe causes sympathetic pain)

I've never seen one held that way, but can see the advantages! :rockon: :POPCORN:

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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
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GordnadoCRD wrote:
:shock: THAT is COOL!! EDIT: The engine stand... :P (The toe causes sympathetic pain)

I've never seen one held that way, but can see the advantages! :rockon: :POPCORN:

Thanks!
quite common in the big diesel world.. hanging them from the side.. The really big brutes (900 cu in and up) will also have a mirror support that supports the far side too.
This should help with crank extraction; go vertical, and simply snatch it out the top. I have a 'work step' that attaches to those open tubes on the top of the stand.. I'll stand on it and simply reach down and pull the crank straight up and out.. no rips, tears, or snags!
Hopefully, I won't have to report a failed back flip attempt! :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Lib conks out.. But I got a game plan thanks to L
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I love the side attach on the block, only way to go which will allow complete access to both ends of the engine for crankshaft extraction.... :BANANA:
SWEET!!!! :-)r

But that Toe picture ain't pretty!!!! :cry:

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rancherman wrote:
GordnadoCRD wrote:
:shock: THAT is COOL!! EDIT: The engine stand... :P (The toe causes sympathetic pain)

I've never seen one held that way, but can see the advantages! :rockon: :POPCORN:

Thanks!
quite common in the big diesel world.. hanging them from the side.. The really big brutes (900 cu in and up) will also have a mirror support that supports the far side too.
This should help with crank extraction; go vertical, and simply snatch it out the top. I have a 'work step' that attaches to those open tubes on the top of the stand.. I'll stand on it and simply reach down and pull the crank straight up and out.. no rips, tears, or snags!
Hopefully, I won't have to report a failed back flip attempt! :roll:

I hear it's not always that easy...
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87478&p=923830&hilit=crankshaft#p923830

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