What's Different with International Diesel Libertys?

Cowcatcher · **Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:20 pm

The CRD is not new, just new to North America. If they have worked OK in Europe, the Far East and elsewhere why are we seeing the transmission problems here? Different transmission? It seems to me that the Europe CRD is 2.4 Litre could that be the difference? Perhaps there have been issues and we just haven't seen them but it seems to me that there are Liberty users here from all over the world.

spencevans · **Posted:** Mon May 01, 2006 1:17 am

I think they used to be 2.5's in europe but now I think they also offer the 2.8 over there as well. Also you can get it with a Manual 6 speed tranny. I wish we could get the CRD, 6 speed Rengade over here.

jinstall · **Posted:** Mon May 01, 2006 2:36 am

I have noticed no real mechanical difference in the E-spec. I also have not had any issues with mine. MAybe there is a different supplier for the trannys in the US as to the E-spec.

kjfishman · **Posted:** Mon May 01, 2006 8:48 am

jinstall wrote:

I have noticed no real mechanical difference in the E-spec. I also have not had any issues with mine. MAybe there is a different supplier for the trannys in the US as to the E-spec.

Do you have an EGR valve on Euro CRD's?

Wilmo · **Posted:** Mon May 01, 2006 9:22 am

Our Aussie ones are pretty much the same as the USA ones except Right hand drive of course! I had the same tranny TSB done on mine the other day, as there is information for the International model in the TSB write-up.

The 2.5L Diesel was a different engine that was sold in Australia from 2002-2004. The 2005 was the 2.8 (mine).

jinstall · **Posted:** Mon May 01, 2006 1:40 pm

kjfishman wrote:

jinstall wrote:

I have noticed no real mechanical difference in the E-spec. I also have not had any issues with mine. MAybe there is a different supplier for the trannys in the US as to the E-spec.

Do you have an EGR valve on Euro CRD's?

Don't know I will have to go find a E-spec CRD and look. Mine is not E-Spec.

kj lad · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 12:28 pm

In Europe the 2.5 CRD came out in early 2002 with a 5 speed manual transmission. In 2003 a 2.8 CRD with auto transmission was offered for sale. This engine was basically bored out 2.5. The 2.5 CRD was still available until late 2004. The 2.8 CRD and transmission was further altered in 2005. I was told it was based on the previous design. The 2.8 CRD became available with a 6 manual or 5 speed auto 'box. These are the same engine/gearboxes in North America.

My 2.5 CRD has had no engine or gearbox problems (yet!). A friend has told me that the auto 'boxes are far less robust that the manual units.

Ian

RFCRD · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 3:27 pm

kj lad wrote:

In Europe the 2.5 CRD came out in early 2002 with a 5 speed manual transmission. In 2003 a 2.8 CRD with auto transmission was offered for sale. This engine was basically bored out 2.5. The 2.5 CRD was still available until late 2004. The 2.8 CRD and transmission was further altered in 2005. I was told it was based on the previous design. The 2.8 CRD became available with a 6 manual or 5 speed auto 'box. These are the same engine/gearboxes in North America.

My 2.5 CRD has had no engine or gearbox problems (yet!). A friend has told me that the auto 'boxes are far less robust that the manual units.

Ian

Just happen to be in England this week visiting my sister. If I can get some time, I want to stop at the local jeep dealer to look for myself. So am I doing the math right, @ $7.25/gal U.S. for fuel? Ouch!

Reggie · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 5:00 pm

kjfishman wrote:

jinstall wrote:

I have noticed no real mechanical difference in the E-spec. I also have not had any issues with mine. MAybe there is a different supplier for the trannys in the US as to the E-spec.

Do you have an EGR valve on Euro CRD's?

More importantly are the EGR flow rates the same and are there any cam or injection timing differences?

svo_jon · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 5:39 pm

I would like to know if there is any differance in the CCV or do the European CRD's have the same problems we have?
Jonathan

valkraider · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 6:39 pm

Well, fuel is different in Europe.

I know, not what you were looking for...

kj lad · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 1:17 pm

I don't know what you mean by EGR?

The CCV's have not acused any problems that I'm aware of over here.

RFCRD, I hope you enjoyed your UK visit, the weather is great at the moment...... Where did you visit?

Ian

RFCRD · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 1:08 pm

kj lad wrote:

I don't know what you mean by EGR?

The CCV's have not acused any problems that I'm aware of over here.

RFCRD, I hope you enjoyed your UK visit, the weather is great at the moment...... Where did you visit?

Ian

Went into London most every day, had a great time. Head home on Friday. My sister works for BP and is on temp assignment at their office in Sunbury, lives in Cobham.

Didn't get chance to look at the Jeep, dealer was closed when I stopped. I see a lot of little diesels running around, music to my ears.

Guest · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 3:00 pm

RFCRD wrote:

kj lad wrote:

In Europe the 2.5 CRD came out in early 2002 with a 5 speed manual transmission. In 2003 a 2.8 CRD with auto transmission was offered for sale. This engine was basically bored out 2.5. The 2.5 CRD was still available until late 2004. The 2.8 CRD and transmission was further altered in 2005. I was told it was based on the previous design. The 2.8 CRD became available with a 6 manual or 5 speed auto 'box. These are the same engine/gearboxes in North America.

My 2.5 CRD has had no engine or gearbox problems (yet!). A friend has told me that the auto 'boxes are far less robust that the manual units.

Ian

Just happen to be in England this week visiting my sister. If I can get some time, I want to stop at the local jeep dealer to look for myself. So am I doing the math right, @ $7.25/gal U.S. for fuel? Ouch!

Their 100+% tax on fuel is why it's so high. They pay the same as us pre-tax. I would be worried about the health of my country if it were that dependent on fuel tax.

kj lad · **Posted:** Sat May 06, 2006 1:57 pm

75% of the cost of our fuel is tax! That may seem a lot but perhaps a free health system are amongst the benefits we recieve from paying such high taxes?

Well Alljeep you don't worry about it I'm not....... I have a great standard of living!

Ian

SethX9 · **Posted:** Sat May 06, 2006 5:50 pm

Quote:

"75% of the cost of our fuel is tax! That may seem a lot but perhaps a free health system are amongst the benefits we recieve from paying such high taxes?"

If you're paying for it then it's not free. Sorry. That's not to say I'm not all for universal access to healthcare being considered a human right. I'm just saying people who talk about "free" healthcare have their head somewhere that obstructs a clear view of their surroundings.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat May 06, 2006 8:04 pm

kj lad wrote:

75% of the cost of our fuel is tax! That may seem a lot but perhaps a free health system are amongst the benefits we recieve from paying such high taxes?

Well Alljeep you don't worry about it I'm not....... I have a great standard of living!

Ian

I'm worried for you because demand for fuel in your country may go WAY down due to high crude oil prices, and then there will not be the tax base for the health care. I just hope there is alternative funding ready... My original comment was for the less informed in my own country who may think your really getting screwed over the base cost of fuel, when in reality, we are all in the same worldwide boat of supply and demand problems.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Sun May 07, 2006 7:28 am

kj lad wrote:

75% of the cost of our fuel is tax! That may seem a lot but perhaps a free health system are amongst the benefits we recieve from paying such high taxes?

Well Alljeep you don't worry about it I'm not....... I have a great standard of living!

Ian

Other than seeing a lot of smaller cars running around the UK, I didn't see any greater effort to conserve fuel than the in US. Consumers still seem to just pay the price and drive (fast and hard). It's just an entirely different set of economics than in the US.

One relationship to point out: As fuel prices rise, fuel demand will fall and thus fuel tax revenues fall. This has been the historic trend over the past 30 years and caused big revenue issues in the 1980's. This is likely the biggest reason our government is trying to force down oil prices rather than forcing greater efficiency or alternate fueling. Just look at some of the hybrid discussions of late. Political talk starting about a special tax on hybrids because they pay substantially less road tax.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Sun May 07, 2006 10:07 am

RFCRD wrote:

kj lad wrote:

75% of the cost of our fuel is tax! That may seem a lot but perhaps a free health system are amongst the benefits we recieve from paying such high taxes?

Well Alljeep you don't worry about it I'm not....... I have a great standard of living!

Ian

Other than seeing a lot of smaller cars running around the UK, I didn't see any greater effort to conserve fuel than the in US. Consumers still seem to just pay the price and drive (fast and hard). It's just an entirely different set of economics than in the US.

One relationship to point out: As fuel prices rise, fuel demand will fall and thus fuel tax revenues fall. This has been the historic trend over the past 30 years and caused big revenue issues in the 1980's. This is likely the biggest reason our government is trying to force down oil prices rather than forcing greater efficiency or alternate fueling. Just look at some of the hybrid discussions of late. Political talk starting about a special tax on hybrids because they pay substantially less road tax.

That and some idiot in Washington wants to remove the federal fuel tax for price relief, I mean talk about insulting my intelligence. We don't have enough tax on fuel to properly keep up our highways as it is and what we do have is not properly spent where it should be spent.

kj lad · **Posted:** Mon May 08, 2006 4:01 pm

It is referred to 'Free' Health because it is free at the point of service. There is NOTHING in this life that is free.......... That's my point, I'm willing to pay the tax to ensure that facility remains available to me and my family!

The higher fuel tax does mean that people over here are more concisious about the fuel efficiency of their cars. You will find a lot of little diesels on our roads that are capable of over 65mpg. My company car is a Vauxhall Vectra (Chevy cavalier size) and it averages 50 mpg even though I always spank it. Car manufacterers have to make fuel efficient cars to compete for our car pruchases. Maybe the US environmental policies would be helped by increased fossil fuel taxes?

Anyway, like I said before, I have a great standard of living...... nice cars, my own house, at least two annual weekly two vacations, freedom, great family....... what more do I want?

Ian

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