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 Post subject: Re: overheat
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:39 pm 
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The stock stat is designed to fail in open position. Mine was failed so I went with inline stant 195F with marine aluminum stat housing. Traditional Stanton well fail stuck closed generally so I drilled 1/8" hole in stat skirt an insurance. My gauge is dead ventricle now. It used to be in 10-11 o'clock piston on highway.


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Yeah, I have that inline clamshell setup with the hole in it, and after a lot of heavy towing, I finally developed a slow head gasket leak. If you don't pull heavy loads, or steep grades in hot weather, the clamshell is probably ok, but that hot fluid has to make it's way down the pipe a ways, meanwhile the coolant temp is still rising in the head...
-I am eager to test if the extra flow of the TDF stat helps for high load applications. Probably next summer...


For those who are using the aluminum in-line thermostat housing, this might be worth looking at.
http://www.stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=61
I dont have one.
The downside is that the engine might run a bit cool, even with a 195 stat.

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 Post subject: Re: overheat
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:55 pm 
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Did you had ARP head studs? I don't see why flow would matter. The head temperature should never exceed 195F as long as 195F tstat open at designed temperature. Am I missing something?


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 Post subject: Re: overheat
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:45 pm 
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Did you had ARP head studs? I don't see why flow would matter. The head temperature should never exceed 195F as long as 195F tstat open at designed temperature. Am I missing something?


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I think the concern with the factory thermostat is that when it fails, you dont know exactly what state its in.
The factory thermostat has two valves. The main outlet to the radiator and the bypass outlet back to the water pump.
When the main outlet opens, the bypass closes and vice versa.

So, if the factory thermostat failed in the fully open position, that means the bypass is fully closed.
And if you put some sort of in-line thermostat in the upper radiator hose, that means there is zero coolant movement until the thermostat opens.

Personally, I dont believe this is the case. I think that when it fails it goes into some sort of partially open/closed position. Also, the small hose coming off the thermostat housing and up to the coolant tank always has coolant flowing through it. So some coolant is always getting bypassed.

This is what I did with my factory thermostat:
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=82256
I have since added a 195 in-line thermostat.

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 Post subject: Re: overheat
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:57 pm 
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pjigar wrote:
Did you had ARP head studs? I don't see why flow would matter. The head temperature should never exceed 195F as long as 195F tstat open at designed temperature. Am I missing something?


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ARP's are next. But, my concern, beyond what Flash mentioned, is the fact that the clamshell is way out there/further down the line. Being further from the source of heat, who knows how hot the head gets before the heat makes it way out to the clamshell stat. I think they're ok for light use, but I tow 6-7k from time to time... Pretty amazing mileage for a vehicle that can tow that much :rockon:

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 Post subject: Re: overheat
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:23 pm 
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I see. I have done couple of things that may help with "head can get too hot" issue. Correct if my logic is flawed.
1. I have made sure that the inline clam shell touches the original thermostat body when clamping down. This will help transfer heat by metal to metal contact.
2. I have 1/8" hole drilled on the skirt of the inline thermostat. This will help with coolant movement. So in theory, moving coolant from head would reach thermostat faster and help it open before coolant in the head gets too hot.

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