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Author:  IndyCRD [ Fri May 12, 2006 8:22 am ]
Post subject:  Shifted, then nothing happened...
Well, I think I experienced the first symptom of a transmission issue this morning. Got in the Jeep, started up, shifted to "R" and.....nothing. It just sits there. I let it run in park for another 30 seconds or so and then shifted again. Then it was fine. It was in the 40s this morning, so I figure it was the transmission fluid not moving very fast in addition to the "wrong filter" issue. Guess I better get in for a service visit. I'm sure I'll get the whole "we couldn't recreate the symptoms" scenario. Hopefully not.
Author:  Guest [ Fri May 12, 2006 8:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shifted, then nothing happened...
IndyCRD wrote:
Well, I think I experienced the first symptom of a transmission issue this morning. Got in the Jeep, started up, shifted to "R" and.....nothing. It just sits there. I let it run in park for another 30 seconds or so and then shifted again. Then it was fine. It was in the 40s this morning, so I figure it was the transmission fluid not moving very fast in addition to the "wrong filter" issue. Guess I better get in for a service visit. I'm sure I'll get the whole "we couldn't recreate the symptoms" scenario. Hopefully not.


Go here and print out each page of this:

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Chrysler/114 ... index.html

Take it to Westgate Chrysler Jeep in Plainfield and tell them exactly the symptoms you just described. Then show them this and tell them a fellow CRD owner had the same issue and it was fixed here at Westgate using this TSB (well, mine was earlier only one filter one, but still, this is the updated one and is much better). Get this done ASAP.
Author:  RFCRD [ Fri May 12, 2006 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shifted, then nothing happened...
alljeep wrote:
IndyCRD wrote:
Well, I think I experienced the first symptom of a transmission issue this morning. Got in the Jeep, started up, shifted to "R" and.....nothing. It just sits there. I let it run in park for another 30 seconds or so and then shifted again. Then it was fine. It was in the 40s this morning, so I figure it was the transmission fluid not moving very fast in addition to the "wrong filter" issue. Guess I better get in for a service visit. I'm sure I'll get the whole "we couldn't recreate the symptoms" scenario. Hopefully not.


Go here and print out each page of this:

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Chrysler/114 ... index.html

Take it to Westgate Chrysler Jeep in Plainfield and tell them exactly the symptoms you just described. Then show them this and tell them a fellow CRD owner had the same issue and it was fixed here at Westgate using this TSB (well, mine was earlier only one filter one, but still, this is the updated one and is much better). Get this done ASAP.


What does it take to convince Jeep there is a problem? Had problems backing up a hill yesterday. Mine was fully warmed-up, just got off the highway after a 50 mile drive. Simple urban asphalt hilly parking lot maneuver, hate to think if I was doing the Jeep thing in the mud. Or maybe I should just get a winch installed for backing? My dealer is blowing me off completely as if they want me to take my CRD and leave them alone.
Author:  Guest [ Fri May 12, 2006 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shifted, then nothing happened...
RFCRD wrote:
alljeep wrote:
IndyCRD wrote:
Well, I think I experienced the first symptom of a transmission issue this morning. Got in the Jeep, started up, shifted to "R" and.....nothing. It just sits there. I let it run in park for another 30 seconds or so and then shifted again. Then it was fine. It was in the 40s this morning, so I figure it was the transmission fluid not moving very fast in addition to the "wrong filter" issue. Guess I better get in for a service visit. I'm sure I'll get the whole "we couldn't recreate the symptoms" scenario. Hopefully not.


Go here and print out each page of this:

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Chrysler/114 ... index.html

Take it to Westgate Chrysler Jeep in Plainfield and tell them exactly the symptoms you just described. Then show them this and tell them a fellow CRD owner had the same issue and it was fixed here at Westgate using this TSB (well, mine was earlier only one filter one, but still, this is the updated one and is much better). Get this done ASAP.


What does it take to convince Jeep there is a problem? Had problems backing up a hill yesterday. Mine was fully warmed-up, just got off the highway after a 50 mile drive. Simple urban asphalt hilly parking lot maneuver, hate to think if I was doing the Jeep thing in the mud. Or maybe I should just get a winch installed for backing? My dealer is blowing me off completely as if they want me to take my CRD and leave them alone.


You will have to go somewhere else. There is no unity from one dealer to another. The one I referenced above has a very good transmission guy and they also work on the dodge diesels, so that's why I gave them a try. They still don't know much about the CRD as the diesel tech told my friend his oil needed changed every 3k miles. But, the transmission tech is a different guy so I was comfortable going there...
Author:  Guest [ Fri May 12, 2006 8:54 am ]
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Also, I wrote out a detailed letter describing my problems exactly so the actual tech would have something to read. When you drop your vehicle off, they only have about 3 short lines on the paper to describe the problem - and who knows what actually gets into the computer as the translation.

A lot of hassle, I know. But writing the detailed problem letter worked and gave them something to work off of.
Author:  IndyCRD [ Fri May 12, 2006 8:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shifted, then nothing happened...
alljeep wrote:
IndyCRD wrote:
Well, I think I experienced the first symptom of a transmission issue this morning. Got in the Jeep, started up, shifted to "R" and.....nothing. It just sits there. I let it run in park for another 30 seconds or so and then shifted again. Then it was fine. It was in the 40s this morning, so I figure it was the transmission fluid not moving very fast in addition to the "wrong filter" issue. Guess I better get in for a service visit. I'm sure I'll get the whole "we couldn't recreate the symptoms" scenario. Hopefully not.


Go here and print out each page of this:

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Chrysler/114 ... index.html

Take it to Westgate Chrysler Jeep in Plainfield and tell them exactly the symptoms you just described. Then show them this and tell them a fellow CRD owner had the same issue and it was fixed here at Westgate using this TSB (well, mine was earlier only one filter one, but still, this is the updated one and is much better). Get this done ASAP.


I will give them a try.

I'm used to throwing fits at dealerships. I've driven VWs for several year and they are the absolute worst when it comes to warranty/repair issues! You have to fight to get anything done.

I might wait a couple weeks before I try to take it in....I'll be out of school for summer break by then and can do without a car for a day or two.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the link, alljeep.
Author:  RFCRD [ Sat May 13, 2006 2:23 am ]
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alljeep wrote:
Also, I wrote out a detailed letter describing my problems exactly so the actual tech would have something to read. When you drop your vehicle off, they only have about 3 short lines on the paper to describe the problem - and who knows what actually gets into the computer as the translation.

A lot of hassle, I know. But writing the detailed problem letter worked and gave them something to work off of.

Unfortunately, the only letter my dealer will understand most likely will come from an attorney.
Author:  bigiron [ Mon May 15, 2006 12:01 am ]
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IndyCRD and RFCRD.....all I can say is if you're not getting satisfaction with your service guys, put your complaints in writing.....address the letter to your dealer's sales manager and cc DC corporate. There's no need in wasting good oxygen arguing with the service guys if one trip doesn't do it. I got a runaround from my service dept. for the for the ESP/BAS light / clockspring problem. Once I presented the sales manager with something in writing, they picked up my Liberty at my place of business and left me with a brand new one off the lot to drive. The next day my Liberty was delivered back to me with the problem fixed, a clean up, and a full tank of fuel. Put it in writing....it's a pain, but it makes a lot of difference.
Author:  IndyCRD [ Thu May 18, 2006 2:44 pm ]
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Thought I'd give an update after my experience this morning...

It's still cool here in the mornings, so I have been letting the Jeep run for about a minute before shifting into reverse. I have only had issues since it has been in the 50 degree range in the mornings lately. If I immediately shift into gear after startup in the mornings, the tranny does not engage.

Well, I was on my way to work this morning and after about 20 minutes on the interstate, I pulled off onto another road. At this point I had driven about 20 miles or so already....fully warmed up. Turned off of the ramp and when I got to about 55 mph, the Jeep started jerking like it couldn't decide which gear to go into. It only gave up after I let up off the pedal....then it was fine. It did it for several seconds. This is the first time I've had a shifting issue.

I was going to wait a few weeks when my schedule thins out a bit before making a service appointment, but I suppose I should just go ahead and get it in.

Wish me luck.
Author:  runningbird [ Thu May 18, 2006 3:33 pm ]
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have the 2006 crd's had the tranny update, or is it still an issue? ours has a build date of 1-25-2006 or should I be looking at the tranny build date.
thanks
mark
Author:  Cowcatcher [ Fri May 19, 2006 10:21 am ]
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Look at the tranny build date.
Author:  Guest [ Sat May 20, 2006 10:48 pm ]
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IndyCRD wrote:
....fully warmed up. Turned off of the ramp and when I got to about 55 mph, the Jeep started jerking like it couldn't decide which gear to go into. It only gave up after I let up off the pedal....then it was fine. It did it for several seconds.


If it was not out right violently bucking then what you are experiencing is the shudder. Mine happens more and more frequently and the reflash did nothing for it. If anything, it's worse with the warmer air temperatures as it hardly did it over winter.

The 55-58mph zone is where the transmission is getting ready to shift into or out of final overdrive and where the TQ is probably having some kind of computer decision error. But, it will probably cause all our TQs to go bad if it's not resolved by DC soon. Just a WAG on my part...
Author:  RFCRD [ Sat May 20, 2006 11:10 pm ]
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alljeep wrote:
IndyCRD wrote:
....fully warmed up. Turned off of the ramp and when I got to about 55 mph, the Jeep started jerking like it couldn't decide which gear to go into. It only gave up after I let up off the pedal....then it was fine. It did it for several seconds.


If it was not out right violently bucking then what you are experiencing is the shudder. Mine happens more and more frequently and the reflash did nothing for it. If anything, it's worse with the warmer air temperatures as it hardly did it over winter.

The 55-58mph zone is where the transmission is getting ready to shift into or out of final overdrive and where the TQ is probably having some kind of computer decision error. But, it will probably cause all our TQs to go bad if it's not resolved by DC soon. Just a WAG on my part...

Can tell you all right now it's heat related. I have a feeling the debris in the cooler lines is partially blocking oil flow. Likely in colder weather, poor oil circulation through the cooler didn't effect anything. Sat down today and wrote a fix my Jeep or buy it back demand letter to the owner of the dealer, hopefully that will wake them up.
Author:  Ranger1 [ Sun May 21, 2006 1:29 pm ]
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Quote:
The 55-58mph zone is where the transmission is getting ready to shift into or out of final overdrive and where the TQ is probably having some kind of computer decision error. But, it will probably cause all our TQs to go bad if it's not resolved by DC soon. Just a WAG on my part...


My torque converter was replaced 3 days ago. It is now shuddering worse than ever. The latest flash for the transmission did nothing for the shudder. I also have gear grinding intermittently when putting it in reverse, when its fully warmed up. As soon as it starts grinding when shifting into reverse all the time, its going back in for repair.
Author:  RFCRD [ Sun May 21, 2006 1:50 pm ]
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Ranger1 wrote:
Quote:
The 55-58mph zone is where the transmission is getting ready to shift into or out of final overdrive and where the TQ is probably having some kind of computer decision error. But, it will probably cause all our TQs to go bad if it's not resolved by DC soon. Just a WAG on my part...


My torque converter was replaced 3 days ago. It is now shuddering worse than ever. The latest flash for the transmission did nothing for the shudder. I also have gear grinding intermittently when putting it in reverse, when its fully warmed up. As soon as it starts grinding when shifting into reverse all the time, its going back in for repair.

This is starting to sound way too familliar. Makes a funky groaning sound? Shakes & shudders like it's trying to slip? Happens when it's hot? Mine is Khaki, wonder if color makes a difference? :? Let me guess, dealer thinks it's your imagination or spending too much time reading other's complaints on the internet?
Author:  Ranger1 [ Sun May 21, 2006 2:01 pm ]
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Yes. But today it starting the gear grinding badly after driving approximately 20 miles and backing up in a parking lot. Sounded just like a manual transmission shifting without the clutch being pressed. The groaning and shuddering happens when shifting into R, or D from neutral, sometimes turns into a mild scream. Shuddering at 55-60 today was worse than it's ever been. I won't take it back to dealer until it fails to the point where it they can no longer perform half-assed repairs.
Author:  Goglio704 [ Sun May 21, 2006 2:26 pm ]
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Ranger1 wrote:
I won't take it back to dealer until it fails to the point where it they can no longer perform half-assed repairs.


That's what I'd do. I think there is more to this than the filters or the possibly redesigned TC. I changed the filters myself to prevent a problem. If I have a problem anyway it'll have to go the dealer on a wrecker.
Author:  RFCRD [ Sun May 21, 2006 3:49 pm ]
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Ranger1 wrote:
Yes. But today it starting the gear grinding badly after driving approximately 20 miles and backing up in a parking lot. Sounded just like a manual transmission shifting without the clutch being pressed. The groaning and shuddering happens when shifting into R, or D from neutral, sometimes turns into a mild scream. Shuddering at 55-60 today was worse than it's ever been. I won't take it back to dealer until it fails to the point where it they can no longer perform half-assed repairs.

You got it!!! Kind of like a social disease.

I think it's oil starvation. Reverse clutch not filling qiuck enough. Seen this too often, common problem on an Allison bus transmission. A bus has a "reverse throttle interlock" to block the throttle until the fluid pressures are up. Keeps the driver from blowing the trans shifting from foreward to reverse.
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