Anyone install a water/meth kit on there crd?

diesel_guy86 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:02 pm

Was reading the latest issue of diesel power and it reviewed gale banks new water/meth system and I was impressed with it. The technology has been around since before the 40s, and its becoming more and more popular in the diesel truck market. I already did a search on here and there was only one thread on it, and no body installed one then (2006). So curious if anyone since then has. On an 06 duramax they gained 125hp with no extra fuel.

Jr_Explorer · **Joined:** Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:29 am **Posts:** 16

Here is a GREAT read on everything (and probably more) than you ever wanted to know about water/methanol injection for diesels. This guy makes a "fogger" for the Duramax. I wonder if we could induce him to make a downsized one.

http://killerbeeperformance.com/inducti ... l-cooling/

diesel_guy86 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:16 am

I'm pretty familiar with water injection, I've used it on a homebuilt gas turbine I built back in highschool. Its used to raise the mass flow rate of the engine, improving thrust by almost 40%. Truth is most companies and people install the nozzles wrong and don't get a proper mix. I was just curious if anyone has put one on there crd and what difference it made.

Jsamps1345 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:17 am

I know this is an old post, But has anyone installed one on their CRD? and would it be worth it?

jws84_02 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:37 pm

It has been in the back of my head for awhile. I went as far as emailing snow performance and they recommended the TDI kit for our jeep. I still might add it once my 200k service comes up

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:00 pm

Jsamps1345 wrote:

I know this is an old post, But has anyone installed one on their CRD? and would it be worth it?

This is a very good read on the subject> http://www.dieselarmy.com/engine-tech/how-it-works/how-it-works-water-methanol-injection/
Second good read with compairson numbers & charts for you tech heads> http://www.dieselarmy.com/engine-tech/other-tech/install-huge-power-gains-with-banks-power-watermethanol-injection/

Some Banks listed systems: http://shop.bankspower.com/c-55-products-water-methanol-injection-w-m-injection-systems.html

A kit can work on our small Jeep CRD engines; basically the only difference between a kit for a big V8 or I6 like the powerful Cummins is the size of the nozzle doing the injecting of the water and/or methanol mixture.... :wink:

Most of the kits available nowadays look at engine EGT and boost pressure for control parameters as to when or when not to inject the mixture or water mist... :rockon:

flash7210 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:19 pm

I've looked into it.
Thought I could assemble my own kit.
But couldn't figure out what the right pump and nozzle would be.

What about water spray over the intercooler?
That could bring down intake air temps.
I wonder if it would have the same effect?

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:19 pm

flash7210 wrote:

I wonder if it would have the same effect?

No it will not have the same benefit, spraying the intercooler (CAC) would help some in hotter temperatures but would never come even close to the increases seen with a water/methanol injection system.
If you read the article on how it works; the liquid spray absorbs heat when sprayed into the incoming intake air stream and becomes a saturated liquid when it enters the combustion chamber where it is compressed by the piston, it then changes state again from a saturated liquid to a gas (phase change) and when this happens, it contains a lot of oxygen gas which can be used by the ignition process of the diesel fuel which produces more power along with the burning of the added methanol...
Sort of like having extra boost without the heat! The saturated liquid actually absorbs so much heat in the process that it actually lowers the EGT leaving the combustion chamber under high load/boost conditions...

It is all a beneficial chemical process taking place! :wink:

mass-hole · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:45 am

May help clean our intakes too. I know the ecoboost guys love meth since those intakes get gunked up because of the direct injection like ours do.

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Phx flyer · **Joined:** Fri May 27, 2016 10:57 pm **Posts:** 21

On numerous past turbo installations, i have used a Hopps pressure switches to run a windshield washer pump/reservoir starting with a .020 inch orifice. (copper tube soldered up and drilled) You will feel the difference for sure! Its inexpensive to try out the idea without a big investment. It is useful to install some thermocouples and watch inlet temperatures drop. Measured an 80 degree drop on a turbo Mustang I used to road race.

Drewd · **Joined:** Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:24 pm **Posts:** 902

Warning: Joke ahead.

Lots of Pueblo, CO folks using meth in their vehicles. Perhaps they can offer advice?

Johndeere87 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:07 pm

Neat stuff. Where do y'all think would be the best place to spray it?

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:08 am

Johndeere87 wrote:

Neat stuff. Where do y'all think would be the best place to spray it?

The further away from the intake manifold the better, this will allow better mixing with the incoming air out of the CAC and help prevent stratification so all cylinders would be provided the same air/moisture ratio. Probably spraying it into the outlet pipe of the CAC would be the ideal location... :idea:

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:11 am

Phx flyer wrote:

On numerous past turbo installations, i have used a Hopps pressure switches to run a windshield washer pump/reservoir starting with a .020 inch orifice. (copper tube soldered up and drilled) You will feel the difference for sure! Its inexpensive to try out the idea without a big investment. It is useful to install some thermocouples and watch inlet temperatures drop. Measured an 80 degree drop on a turbo Mustang I used to road race.

How much pressure does a washer pump produce; will it overcome boost pressure of ~30 psig? :?:

Keasbey · **Joined:** Wed May 04, 2016 4:35 pm **Posts:** 8

did a quick search and came up with this.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/budget-water ... 71823.html

dont know how accurate things are though, but its the internet.... its gotta be true!

thermorex · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:48 pm

WWDiesel wrote:

Phx flyer wrote:

On numerous past turbo installations, i have used a Hopps pressure switches to run a windshield washer pump/reservoir starting with a .020 inch orifice. (copper tube soldered up and drilled) You will feel the difference for sure! Its inexpensive to try out the idea without a big investment. It is useful to install some thermocouples and watch inlet temperatures drop. Measured an 80 degree drop on a turbo Mustang I used to road race.

How much pressure does a washer pump produce; will it overcome boost pressure of ~30 psig? :?:

I wonder if you can do the methane in the preturbo intake... Not sure if they have such kits... Definitely not doable for water.

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:28 pm

thermorex wrote:

WWDiesel wrote:

Phx flyer wrote:

On numerous past turbo installations, i have used a Hopps pressure switches to run a windshield washer pump/reservoir starting with a .020 inch orifice. (copper tube soldered up and drilled) You will feel the difference for sure! Its inexpensive to try out the idea without a big investment. It is useful to install some thermocouples and watch inlet temperatures drop. Measured an 80 degree drop on a turbo Mustang I used to road race.

How much pressure does a washer pump produce; will it overcome boost pressure of ~30 psig? :?:

I wonder if you can do the methane in the preturbo intake... Not sure if they have such kits... Definitely not doable for water.

Do not know about methane kits, but they do make propane kits for diesels! I have seen one on a Dodge Cummins and it does make a difference in power!!!
Not sure where they inject the gas at?

thermorex · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:36 pm

WWDiesel wrote:

thermorex wrote:

WWDiesel wrote:

[quote="Phx flyer"]On numerous past turbo installations, i have used a Hopps pressure switches to run a windshield washer pump/reservoir starting with a .020 inch orifice. (copper tube soldered up and drilled) You will feel the difference for sure! Its inexpensive to try out the idea without a big investment. It is useful to install some thermocouples and watch inlet temperatures drop. Measured an 80 degree drop on a turbo Mustang I used to road race.

How much pressure does a washer pump produce; will it overcome boost pressure of ~30 psig? :?:

I wonder if you can do the methane in the preturbo intake... Not sure if they have such kits... Definitely not doable for water.

Do not know about methane kits, but they do make propane kits for diesels! I have seen one on a Dodge Cummins and it does make a difference in power!!!
Not sure where they inject the gas at?[/quote]
You're right, I think I messed this up, they have propane and butane conversions, and I believe propane is the most cost effective. Unless I'm wrong again, lol...

Phx flyer · **Joined:** Fri May 27, 2016 10:57 pm **Posts:** 21

Regarding the wswasher pump, try placing the nozzle in the intake before the turbo---or wherever you think will work. I have never had a problem with this regarding harm to the inlet impeller on the turbo. Remember, I mentioned a .020 nozzle and with some distance before the impeller, the mixture is mostly vaporized before hitting the turbo. Ran this setup on an SCCA turbo Mustang (Cheating!!) and I did it to save the engine more than anything else. A showroom stock turbo Mustang was never designed to go wot for any length of time. The car qualified 3rd w/o the injection on. For the race with water/methanol cooling, on third lap at Brainerd, car was about 1/4 mile ahead of the pole sitter, just to give you an idea of the improvement.
On this car the setup sprayed the mixture at the air cleaner intake--before the air filter simply because I was cheating and the class was showroom stock. Not the best setup for sure and it did the job!

Keasbey · **Joined:** Wed May 04, 2016 4:35 pm **Posts:** 8

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.ht ... 2&A=110368

Gives some good info on a system they built, they were worried about putting it after the intercooler so they dont have results for it. interesting they talk about spraying t on the intercooler to keep temps down.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/63-gm- ... oject.html
This guy built a different one and was having good results, but thats a big diesel truck. pretty interesting read, i just read the comments by the author of it for the most part.

i figure the nozzle flow rate listed in the first link might help somoene out if they were trying to build one of these.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/
This site had a nozzle calculator and you could buy their nozzles. might also be helpful.

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