Ceearedeedriver wrote:
TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
If that is the case, then what did you actually mean when you wrote the following statement above?
"Seeing benefits that don't really exist is simply a side effect of sticker shock
"
What I mean is that when people pay a high price for something they sometimes justify it by perceiving benefits that don't really exist.
TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
To me, the words "sticker shock" directly correlate to the phrase "not worth the price". Why would someone tag a product or service with the words "sticker shock" if they saw the quality and value of said product or service?
To me the words "sticker shock" mean unexpectedly high price. Look, the price is higher than one would
expect to pay for a thermostat housing - "sticker shock". I've
never seen such an expensive housing. I believe that even you realise this because you said you're "making inroads to having the Model 001 and the proposed Model 002 made overseas"
viewtopic.php?f=167&t=83649 The #1 reason for moving production overseas is to reduce the costs but, unless other circumstances are forcing you to look for new manufacturing facilities, why would you go to these lengths and take such risk if you're content with the price you're charging? OTOH if it's about increasing your margins why would you tell us?
Is current Model 001 overpriced? No. Given your R&D, materials, manufacturing costs, payment for your time and a modest profit I have no problem agreeing that your price is realistic and fair.
Is it high quality? Absolutely. I've never seen any complaints about quality or bad reviews of the product itself.
Does it offer value? Yes it provides benefits over and above what any other solution does.
Does it offer value for money? Not in my opinion. The additional benefits it provides over the alternatives do not justify the higher cost. Of course, I accept that others may have a different set of priorities.
Would I by one? No. I'm happy with the solution I have at the moment.
Firstly, you are engaging in semantics and word-play. You just admitted that you do not believe Model 001 offers value for money; by default you therefore believe that the Model 001 is not worth the price.
Secondly, since this is the first time most of us CRD owners have had to deal with thermostat valves in their own housings as an assembly, your statement "I've
never seen such an expensive housing" is therefore rather meaningless as there is nothing to compare the Model 001 to.
Your statement is also sadly inaccurate. As I have had to keep repeating over and over again, I do not simply manufacture thermostat housings. I manufacture a completely finished and assembled thermostat unit that is ready to install. There is a LOT more value added to my product than mere machined housings. We should consider ourselves lucky... it could be a lot worse, (and likely will be in the future). The thermostat assembly for the Colorado/Canyon pickups with the Duramax 2.8L diesel engine is only about $100.00 USD/$160.00 CDN here in North America. That same cheaply built - with cast aluminum housings - thermostat assembly is 465 Euros in Germany!!! And don't bother comparing the O.E. thermostat assembly to the Model 001; that is like comparing a Fiat 500 to a Lamborghini... both are Italian automobiles, but that is where the similarities end.
Thirdly, I doubt that you have purchased many things of quality in your life, because most products that are machined here in North America are very expensive, especially products that cater to very narrow, specialized markets. I saw aluminum housings for gas meters being anodized at the company I do the parts for the Model 001 at... those housings cost the end-users hundreds of dollars each, and there is less work in those than there are in the Model 001 parts. You have NEVER seen such an expensive housing? You obviously haven't been looking very hard. Go and price out a receiver for a Ruger No.1 rifle, (essentially, a steel housing for the trigger and falling block mechanisms), and then tell me my price justifies "sticker shock".
You are correct in stating that the main reason for moving my manufacturing overseas is to lower my cost of manufacturing, but this does not mean that my product does not give excellent value for the price. As you have not directly seen the benefits the Model 001 can provide, you are simply speculating.
How is it possible for you to have sticker shock for engine parts while owning a Liberty CRD?!? This engine has formed coolant hoses for the viscous heater that cost a couple of hundred dollars, (for a little kit of three small hoses!!!), and fuel injectors that are over $1000.00 each. For you to say that you are having sticker shock with
aftermarket, low production parts for the CRD is kind of like going to Aleppo in Syria and being surprised when you are shot at.
Wake up Ceearedeedriver, this is not your Father's 1970's era Chevrolet Caprice; it is relatively sophisticated 4X4 SUV powered by a European diesel engine. Then engine parts are expensive...get over it.