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Author:  rjmaype [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Dieselgate in Europe
UPDATE 1-EU takes legal action against Germany, UK over VW scandal
Newswire

* EU regulators frustrated by government inaction

* Seven nations face legal action

* Consumer group welcomes launch of cases (Add details, comments)

By Alissa de Carbonnel

BRUSSELS, Dec 8 (Reuters) - The European Union started legal action on Thursday against seven countries including Germany and Britain for failing to police emissions test cheating by carmakers after the Volkswagen scandal.

Amid mounting frustration in Brussels over what it sees as governments colluding with the powerful car industry, the European Commission is wielding the biggest stick it has - potentially ending in court - to try to force nations to clamp down on diesel cars spewing health-harming pollution.

German officials - who say EU law is poorly framed - had been sceptical Brussels would take on the EU's leading power and by far its biggest carmaker at a time when the unity of the bloc is being challenged by eurosceptics and Britain's vote to leave.

Thursday's cases are a sign the EU executive, under pressure from the European Parliament, is keen to prove its worth to voters.

Germany, Britain, Spain and Luxembourg stand accused of not imposing the same kind of penalties Volkswagen (VW) has faced in the United States over its use of illegal software to mask nitrogen oxides (NOx), blamed for respiratory illnesses and early deaths.

The Commission also accuses Berlin and London of refusing to share the details of suspicious findings revealed by national investigations into the "dieselgate" scandal - without which it cannot carry out a supervisory role.

"This goes far beyond Volkswagen," said an EU source, adding that officials had more cases planned in a drive to force cars spewing up to five times legal NOx limits off roads.

VW declined to comment.

Thursday's notice is the first step in what is known as infringement procedures, allowing the EU to ensure the bloc's 28 nations abide by agreed EU-wide regulations. Member states have two months to respond.

If they fail to do so satisfactorily, the EU may take them to the EU court in Luxembourg.

SHORTCOMINGS

In a system the Commission is now seeking to overhaul, national watchdogs approve new cars and alone have the power to police manufacturers - though once approved in one country, vehicles can be sold across the bloc.

Highlighting the system's shortcomings, the Commission said another three countries - the Czech Republic, Lithuania and Greece - do not have provisions in national law allowing for fines for carmakers in case of breaches.

The European Consumer lobby (BEUC) hailed the cases, saying not enough had been done to protest European citizens - a year since U.S. authorities caught VW cheating and won compensation for consumers there. "It is a strong rebuke of Germany and other countries' inaction," said BEUC head Monique Goyens.

But the Commission faces a tough fight. Its proposal for a shake-up of rules on new car approvals has been watered down by member states, documents seen by Reuters show.

So far, despite probes revealing that several carmakers use techniques to conceal the true level of exhaust emissions in laboratory tests, no country has penalized the cars it licensed.

"All of them are still protecting their national interest," said Bas Eickhout, a Green member of the European Parliament.

So-called "defeat devices" to cheat emissions tests have been illegal under EU law since 2007.

But EU carmakers - who employ some 12 million people in the bloc - say they are not doing anything wrong because there is an exemption allowing them to turn off emissions control systems if that is needed to protect engines.

Germany has said EU law is poorly framed, allowing for the loophole. However, it has asked the Commission to mediate in its dispute with Italian carmaker Fiat Chrysler, which it accuses of using an illegal device to scale back emission controls after 22 minutes - just longer than regulatory tests.

Europe's Industry Commissioner Elzbieta Bienkowska has repeatedly said the letter of EU law is clear and called on member states to respect its spirit. (Writing by Alissa de Carbonnel; Additional reporting Jan Schwartz in Hamburg; Editing by Mark Potter)
Author:  flman [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
Who cares about Europe, I live in the US and Trump is appointing a new EPA boss.
Author:  JBDeVega [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
The crackdown on diesels in europe means a smaller diesel market overall and eventual decrease in the diesel market.

I personally think the environmentalist of the world need to take a step back and consider what they are trying to do. Biodiesel is a "renewable" resource being grown from plants thus making it "green: or "sustainable" energy. however because of the emissions of biodiesel the environmentalist still dont like it. Funny thing is if you do your research the emission of diesel actually do create a green house like effect essentially creating a global cooling result. Yet they restrict it based upon studys on global warming.

Im big into environmental studies and its interesting to see how contradictory the science community is on environmentalism.
Author:  WWDiesel [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
JBDeVega wrote:
The crackdown on diesels in europe means a smaller diesel market overall and eventual decrease in the diesel market.

I personally think the environmentalist of the world need to take a step back and consider what they are trying to do. Biodiesel is a "renewable" resource being grown from plants thus making it "green: or "sustainable" energy. however because of the emissions of biodiesel the environmentalist still dont like it. Funny thing is if you do your research the emission of diesel actually do create a green house like effect essentially creating a global cooling result. Yet they restrict it based upon studys on global warming.

Im big into environmental studies and its interesting to see how contradictory the science community is on environmentalism.

I agree, and there is way too much politics and money involved nowadays in environmentalism to know what is believable or not anymore!!! :shock:
I believe that some of the stupid asinine regulations that the EPA came out with over the past 10 years or so that had no sound scientific basis has done a lot to hurt the environmentalists cause... :2cents:
Hopefully new leadership will straighten out and / or fix some of this mess!!! :roll:
Author:  TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
WWDiesel wrote:
JBDeVega wrote:
The crackdown on diesels in europe means a smaller diesel market overall and eventual decrease in the diesel market.

I personally think the environmentalist of the world need to take a step back and consider what they are trying to do. Biodiesel is a "renewable" resource being grown from plants thus making it "green: or "sustainable" energy. however because of the emissions of biodiesel the environmentalist still dont like it. Funny thing is if you do your research the emission of diesel actually do create a green house like effect essentially creating a global cooling result. Yet they restrict it based upon studys on global warming.

Im big into environmental studies and its interesting to see how contradictory the science community is on environmentalism.

I agree, and there is way too much politics and money involved nowadays in environmentalism to know what is believable or not anymore!!! :shock:
I believe that some of the stupid asinine regulations that the EPA came out with over the past 10 years or so that had no sound scientific basis has done a lot to hurt the environmentalists cause... :2cents:
Hopefully new leadership will straighten out and / or fix some of this mess!!! :roll:



Definitely agree here... WTF is the point of have absolutely scrubbed clean exhaust if you have unreliable engines that burn 30% more fuel?!?!?

The O.E. thermostat assembly opening temperature of 176 degrees Fahrenheit is a poster child for lefty/environmentalist policy run amok.
Author:  flman [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
WWDiesel wrote:
JBDeVega wrote:
The crackdown on diesels in europe means a smaller diesel market overall and eventual decrease in the diesel market.

I personally think the environmentalist of the world need to take a step back and consider what they are trying to do. Biodiesel is a "renewable" resource being grown from plants thus making it "green: or "sustainable" energy. however because of the emissions of biodiesel the environmentalist still dont like it. Funny thing is if you do your research the emission of diesel actually do create a green house like effect essentially creating a global cooling result. Yet they restrict it based upon studys on global warming.

Im big into environmental studies and its interesting to see how contradictory the science community is on environmentalism.

I agree, and there is way too much politics and money involved nowadays in environmentalism to know what is believable or not anymore!!! :shock:
I believe that some of the stupid asinine regulations that the EPA came out with over the past 10 years or so that had no sound scientific basis has done a lot to hurt the environmentalists cause... :2cents:
Hopefully new leadership will straighten out and / or fix some of this mess!!! :roll:



Definitely agree here... WTF is the point of have absolutely scrubbed clean exhaust if you have unreliable engines that burn 30% more fuel?!?!?

The O.E. thermostat assembly opening temperature of 176 degrees Fahrenheit is a poster child for lefty/environmentalist policy run amok.


100% agreed, hopefully Trumps anti EPA pick will shake things up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgVFHl0pDc
Author:  tjkj2002 [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
JBDeVega wrote:
The crackdown on diesels in europe means a smaller diesel market overall and eventual decrease in the diesel market.

I personally think the environmentalist of the world need to take a step back and consider what they are trying to do. Biodiesel is a "renewable" resource being grown from plants thus making it "green: or "sustainable" energy. however because of the emissions of biodiesel the environmentalist still dont like it. Funny thing is if you do your research the emission of diesel actually do create a green house like effect essentially creating a global cooling result. Yet they restrict it based upon studys on global warming.

Im big into environmental studies and its interesting to see how contradictory the science community is on environmentalism.

If your big into environmental studies then you'd know that "green house gasses" causes a initial warming trend that turns into a major cooling event.

Besides Yellowstone is overdue for it's big bang and we are at that point in time for the next ice age to start if looking at historical timelines.
Author:  Bushman5 [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
They can have my diesel when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

i wonder if the enviro-NAZIS stop and consider where their food comes from, and how their garbage and recycling gets picked up.

the world is built on diesel.
Author:  TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
Bushman5 wrote:
They can have my diesel when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

i wonder if the enviro-NAZIS stop and consider where their food comes from, and how their garbage and recycling gets picked up.

the world is built on diesel.



A-G-R-E-E-D!! ABSOLUTELY. The current situation with the EPA and protests over construction of pipelines is almost entirely ideologically driven. No regard is given to the overall picture of what happens when ridiculous pollution standards are put in place or to the loss of energy infrastructure and jobs when pipelines are not built.
Author:  carbcoma [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
it seems odd that regulations that cause diesel vehicles to spew black smoke because of insufficient burn are considered environmental regulations.
Author:  tjkj2002 [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
carbcoma wrote:
it seems odd that regulations that cause diesel vehicles to spew black smoke because of insufficient burn are considered environmental regulations.

No that's dumba$$'s putting tuners on over-fueling the engine causing black smoke.
Author:  WWDiesel [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
Update!
FCA CEO Response to Diesel Allegations: ‘Unadulterated Hogwash’

Off-Road.com wrote:
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) has released a statement and its CEO has spoken after being accused by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for using emissions cheating software.

"Its unadulterated hogwash."@FiatChrysler_NA CEO Sergio Marchionne says of implication that there was intent to cheat.@EPA"

Earlier today, it was announced that the EPA has sent a notice of violation to FCA advising the company that its 3.0-liter diesel vehicles are using illegal software intended to fool emissions tests. The automaker has since responded to the accusations, releasing an official statement saying that it is “disappointed that the EPA has chosen to issue a notice of violation with respect to the emissions control technology employed in the company’s 2014-16 model year light duty 3.0-liter diesel engines.”

For the article in its entirety:> http://www.off-road.com/blog/2017/01/12 ... om20170120
Author:  olypopper [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dieselgate in Europe
flman wrote:
Who cares about Europe, I live in the US and Trump is appointing a new EPA boss.


I feel the same way! I sure hope they can neuter the EPA and it's little henchmen.
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